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Words Of Wisdom said:
Pyro as Bill said:

1. If you download a game that you are really looking forward to that is available now in another region but you have to wait weeks or more in your own region. You have already preordered the game and intend to pay for it.

2. Same as above but you have actually paid for your pre-order before the game is released.

3. The game is released and you've snagged a great online bargain but will take 1 week to arrive, you can't wait a week and so download it.

(Wii Sports Resort is awesome!! )

Game piracy is the act of illegally obtaining a copy of a game so it doesn't even matter if you pay for it or even if you play it.


I'm surprised so many people in this thread fail to realize this.

I don't believe the people have a problem with the legality of it. If everyone acted within the laws then many laws wouldn't get changed. What people want are fair terms in the license so that what they consider to be morally sound becomes legally sound as well. 



Tease.

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Words Of Wisdom said:
Pyro as Bill said:

1. If you download a game that you are really looking forward to that is available now in another region but you have to wait weeks or more in your own region. You have already preordered the game and intend to pay for it.

2. Same as above but you have actually paid for your pre-order before the game is released.

3. The game is released and you've snagged a great online bargain but will take 1 week to arrive, you can't wait a week and so download it.

(Wii Sports Resort is awesome!! )

Game piracy is the act of illegally obtaining a copy of a game so it doesn't even matter if you pay for it or even if you play it.


I'm surprised so many people in this thread fail to realize this.

Oh I don't know, most seem to be splitting this into two elements, legal and moral (myself included!).

Morally if you've bought something you've bought it (assuming the OP isn't lying about that).  Morally it's a bit shaky getting another copy via a potentially illegal route, as you're arguably encouraging the supply of the illegal copy.  Legally, you're acting illegally (depending upon where you are geographically of course).

Personally, while I am absolutely anti-piracy, I can also recognize that various international processes, corporate decisions, etc. lag way behind the reality of content purchase in a digital age, and understand that all sorts of 'grey areas' are going to exist until things catch up.

 



Try to be reasonable... its easier than you think...

Aslong as i own it.

Though i don't do this, i dont even do it with my VERY HACKABLE PSP, because i simply to have the effort or drive for it.

Though if i did, it'd be games that i already have, because stealing from the gaming market is just like killing the market, which is not good for the gamers and leads to some games to having no sequels.

In Conclusion, Yes and No.



Reasonable said:
Words Of Wisdom said:

Game piracy is the act of illegally obtaining a copy of a game so it doesn't even matter if you pay for it or even if you play it.


I'm surprised so many people in this thread fail to realize this.

Oh I don't know, most seem to be splitting this into two elements, legal and moral (myself included!).

Morally if you've bought something you've bought it (assuming the OP isn't lying about that).  Morally it's a bit shaky getting another copy via a potentially illegal route, as you're arguably encouraging the supply of the illegal copy.  Legally, you're acting illegally (depending upon where you are geographically of course).

Personally, while I am absolutely anti-piracy, I can also recognize that various international processes, corporate decisions, etc. lag way behind the reality of content purchase in a digital age, and understand that all sorts of 'grey areas' are going to exist until things catch up.

 

Actually the suppy of pirated copies of a game is pretty much perfectly elastic. What this means is that practically unlimited suppy is available at 0 dollars for a newly released game and no matter how many copies you would want, there are always more available. You could litterally spawn 1,000,000 copies of Pac Man on your computer if you wanted to and another 4,000,000 copies of Mrs Pac Man in case he got lonely and became a Mormon at the same time.



Tease.

Mod fight!

I say this: If a company never intended to release the game in your country, they didn't want your money so go and download the game anyways.



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Words Of Wisdom said:
Pyro as Bill said:

1. If you download a game that you are really looking forward to that is available now in another region but you have to wait weeks or more in your own region. You have already preordered the game and intend to pay for it.

2. Same as above but you have actually paid for your pre-order before the game is released.

3. The game is released and you've snagged a great online bargain but will take 1 week to arrive, you can't wait a week and so download it.

(Wii Sports Resort is awesome!! )

Game piracy is the act of illegally obtaining a copy of a game so it doesn't even matter if you pay for it or even if you play it.


I'm surprised so many people in this thread fail to realize this.

So many absolutes. That's a definition of piracy that holds for your personal opinion or your country's law maybe, but is in no way general.

There are countries (such as mine) where you are legally entitled to own as many copies as you want of a piece of software as long as you paid for one original copy (and the copies are not keeping you from buying multiple originals if those are needed). Please note that the license of the software might still restrict you from installing it on multiple machines (e.g. Windows) but that's an entirely different issue from owning N copies of it.

Thus in many countries it's not illegal at all to download a copy of that game if you paid for it, which I'm pretty sure legally covers cases 2 and 3 of the OP. Case 1 is probably not legal on the other hand, but I personally wouldn't fret about it.

@twesterm

An analogy with a car, really? You just fell in the abyss between intellectual property and physical property, and there's no worse way to defend the rights of authors of intellectual products.



"All you need in life is ignorance and confidence; then success is sure." - Mark Twain

"..." - Gordon Freeman

@Werekitten: Thats a well made argument.

A good analogy would be fishing and fishing quotas.

It doesn't matter individually if one fishing boat breaks the quota and takes more fish than it is allowed because theres plenty of fish in the sea, but in general its simply a case of the tragedy of the commons where people who take more fish don't pay attention to the fact that other people take too many fish as well.

In this case when too many people pirate we get the dual problem of excessive regulation and enforcement expense and fewer fish (games) to go around. This is why the government treats piracy of intellectual property so seriously and why PC gaming is a shadow of its former self. So whilst the fact that games aren't a depleteable resource (like fish) the behaviours surrounding piracy and the effects of it are quite similar in their effects.



Tease.

I think your encouraging more piracy through this action.



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