And people wonder why I won't support the current gen? It seems like nintendo is the only company that believes in it's own product. Why should I support a company if they don't believe in what they want me to buy? I don't care about cheap, I care about good. If this is want nintendo has done to the industry I will just go straight PC from now on.

what has nintendo done to the industry that turns you off consoles? it's the first machine that features play that you can't replicate on the pc.

Nintendo hasn't done ANYTHING to the industry... the consumers that drive the industry control the direction that it's going. Nintendo is more in touch with what the consumers want this time around, and Sony and Microsoft have dropped the ball by just going about the same-ole same-ole. Peter Moore doesn't believe the Wii is competing directly for Xbox 360's market and this is why he thinks that the gamers have the pulse, I can tell you now if one man believes in a console it's Peter Moore, that guy is a gun!

Only time will tell with the first part, MS and Sony had more of what I wanted, It's the price that hurt them. Who is peter moore? Does he even believe in the system the company he works for makes?

so let me summarize your thoughts: Sony is arogant and full of themselves ,if they think highly of their own product and they are weak and full of worries , if they say the competition has a nice product ... I think it's fair sportsmanship to not downtalk the competition ,but rather concentrate on own strength.

But bad business.

I really don't see the big deal is, and what is this "Nintendo is killing the industry talk" how is that? PS3 and 360 will always be here for the people who need hardcore graphics so what's the problem.

Nintendo IS the industry. I don't see how so many people forget that. There's a reason its competitors have to be deep pocketed monoliths of companies who can absorb massive losses in order to get a product onto the shelves. I know some don't want to hear this but Nintendo is the engine that makes this whole thing move & that's the truth. If they hadn't angered 3rd party 11 years ago, they may have never been truly bested in any contest whether handheld or console. You'll see what I mean in about 10 or 15 years once one or both of the current competitors is no longer around in the videogame business while Nintendo is still going at it. John Lucas

Which is funny... as 90% of the total market is "non-gamers", and most of the gamers I know have already bought the Wii. So they can't lose?

I think of the industry in terms of human development from an embryo to a healthy adult.. John Lucas, Nintendo is more like the brain of the industry. It knows how to allocate its resources to support various appendage (trends and ideas) across the vastly different needs of the body (the various peoples of the world). Sony is more like the skeletal structure..it provides a place for organs and other vitalities to lay (3rd parties), but without the brain providing analysis and unbiased skill at assembling the skelton blue brint, the skeleton could not exist (natal development) at its full potential, merely a cancer or a skeletal disease (cough CD-I). Microsoft is like the musculature, it commands tremendous resources from the brain, taxing it heavily...but it also must rely on the flexibility of the skeleton to accomodate the brain's knowledge of trends...The latest trend that Nintendo saw was how casuals were being indoctrinated into gaming with more realistic experiences. What they noted was that the experience was too difficult for potential gamers who were starting with no experience. So they expanded on what Sony did with PS2, giving more support to 3rd parties by making their games more accessible to the masses, with easier control schemes...and by making non games for people who will never enjoy traditional arcade/goal oriented play like we do. If Microsoft or Sony knocked Nintendo out of the hardware business, I think it would be equivalent to the industry becoming a vegetable. Nintendo is the company that has the uncanny eye for the onset of greatness with the ability to deliver on it. They know it too. An interview with Miyamoto a few years ago said he expected GTAIII to be a huge hit in the west when he read about 'how much freedom' was possible in the game, well before the game was released. Sony was pleasently suprised by the hit, Nintendo was simply annoyed that they couldn't get it on their hardware, they knew it would be big. The reverse seems to be rarely true. Sony was not aware of the potential of Pokemon, Nintendogs, Goldeneye 007, Halo on competing systems. Peter Moore at least worked for Sega, so he has some idea of how much insight Nintendo has into the industry. There is no doubt that Sony created a much better environment for 3rd parties with PS1, but that allowed Sony to benefit from surprise hits, they certaintly didn't plan them. In terms of Microsoft, long term, I think they could be the company to end Nintendo's profitability because they have more experience with software, and billions more to spend. But Sony is certaintly no slouch, and it appears Nintendo has survived their best shot at knocking them out (PS2-PSP). With Microsoft's goal this generation to get like a 30% market share, and Sony's not to come in 3rd, it seems like Nintendo has finally 'rebuilt' the body (shedding that excess fat and muscle decay...), and is ready to become the force that brings gaming even more mainstream.