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draik said:

Draik, you are officially my new friend.



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kowenicki said:
The Sunderland v Liverpool game should be replayed... official.

The rules stipulate the game should have been stopped and restarted with a dropped ball.

but the 7 minutes added on for them...that you have no thoughts on?

last time a team got that you wouldnt shut up about it...

also, the game is done, its almost impossible for the FA to have it replayed, Sunderland would probably be furious and so far as im aware Liverpool havent made a complaint (it was there fan's baloon afterall, lol)

@draik - lol, Terry wasnt a happy bunny then!



kowenicki said:

@scifiboy

What.. the ref put up 7 mins overtime? how come? was there a lot of stoppages?

If it 7 mins and only 5 was shown then its wrong.... I wasnt bothered by the amount of time shown in the man u v city game... I was bothered that the amount of time played seemed to suit Man U in a big way... time was added to the added time because a goal was scored as they entered injury time and yet when they actually sacored IN injury time they didnt add any more.... odd.

And so what if Sunderland go mad... the game should be replayed. There are plenty of precedents. Arsenal did agree to replay a game not to long ago... and guess who the opposition manager calling for the replay was....  yep... Steve Bruce.

funny, didnt seem to be many stoppages on the highlights I saw...youre telling me that 7 minutes was okay with Sunderland? there fans booed when it was announced...

why would they replay it though? like I said Liverpool didnt file a complaint and the referee allowed the goal

I just dont see it hapening, nor do I think they should replay the game because of it, only thing FA should do imo, is issue a clarification on the law regarding objects on the pitch



kowenicki said:
@scifiboy

no clarification is required

The rule is there.... it says any object thrown onto the pitch that changes the direction of the ball should result in stopping play and restart by dropped ball. Now clearly this isnt a big issue when it merely results in loss of possession but this actually resulted in a goal, the ball was clearly going straght at Reina and then it deflected. Fergie would be going fucking mental had it happened to him.

okay, but youre not saying they should have had a drop ball (if you were, I would agree with you, they should have done so)

youre saying the FA should retrospectively go back and replay a game because of 1 incident, thats a whole different argument, if the FA do that for this contrevertial goal, surely they have to do so for EVERY contreversial goal (impartiality, et al), or it just wont be fair/workable, Sunderland would almost certainly take action against the FA if they do so, as they won the game and any replay would be harder for them (they have a smaller squad and Liverpool will probably have there 2 best players back), not to mention that any team that lost or drew due to a contrevertial goal will demand the FA call a replay for there games too, it would be a logistical nightmare.



The goal shouldn't have stood, but as soon as the referee gives the goal it can't be debated. I think it should have resulted in a drop ball restart, but I'm certainly not going to call for a replay, the referees word is final, even if it is wrong.

I mean if we replayed every match where the referee made an incorrect decision and it stood, regardless of magnitude, then we would pretty much have to replay every match ever played.



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kowenicki said:
SciFiBoy said:
kowenicki said:

@scifiboy

What.. the ref put up 7 mins overtime? how come? was there a lot of stoppages?

If it 7 mins and only 5 was shown then its wrong.... I wasnt bothered by the amount of time shown in the man u v city game... I was bothered that the amount of time played seemed to suit Man U in a big way... time was added to the added time because a goal was scored as they entered injury time and yet when they actually sacored IN injury time they didnt add any more.... odd.

And so what if Sunderland go mad... the game should be replayed. There are plenty of precedents. Arsenal did agree to replay a game not to long ago... and guess who the opposition manager calling for the replay was....  yep... Steve Bruce.

funny, didnt seem to be many stoppages on the highlights I saw...youre telling me that 7 minutes was okay with Sunderland? there fans booed when it was announced...

why would they replay it though? like I said Liverpool didnt file a complaint and the referee allowed the goal

I just dont see it hapening, nor do I think they should replay the game because of it, only thing FA should do imo, is issue a clarification on the law regarding objects on the pitch

lol... stoppages dont tend to be highlights.

anyway thats the not the point at hand.

you just ignored the fact that 7 minutes injury time benefited Liverpool (they still failed to score) and you had no issue with it, but when United get 7 minutes, suddenly youre furious, pathetic double standards, proving the point I made, big teams get extra time from referee's right or wrong it happens, to complain about it for United but not for Liverpool makes you a hypocrite does it not?



kowenicki said:
@scifi

As I said... it has happened before.

It IS NOT contraversial... it is a breach of the rules. It isnt a suibjective issue such as a linesman not giving offside or a ref not giving a free kick., it is a case of the ref actually seeing it clearly and not even realising a rule had been broken. The ref clearly didnt know the rule. How can that be right?

er, both are breaches of the rules that the referee/linesman didnt see or ignored



kowenicki said:
@scifiboy

I refer you to my previous answer. the ref showed 7 minutes.. how many did they then play? 7 I presume.

In the Man U game he played an extra minute in the extra time. Never I have seen extra time added to extra time in any other game ever and if that was because of the 3-3 goal then why wasnt further time added for the 4-3 goal... I dont see why you cant see the distinction.

And this crap about the number of minutes shown is a "minimum" of extra trime... I will bet you in both games on TV today they finish on exactly the number of extra minutes shown, or very shortly after, like it always does unless Fergusonn is prowling the touchline.

Ferguson is out of control, that last game where he had a 45 second foul mouthed rant at the 4th official and nothing happened was ridiculous. Wenger was humiliated and shown to the stands for kicking a bottle ffs. And if Ferguson doesnt get a stiff touchline ban at least for what he said about Wiley then it just shows you the power Man U wield behind the scenes. any other manager would already have been tried and sentenced. Everyone knows this, it was dicusssed on Sky yesterday and it is becoming a farce. Do you disagree with any of this paragraph?

suddenly you dont like the rules of the game then, the rules say that it is a "minimum" amount of time

I agree Fergie shouldnt have ranted at the 4th official, and as I understood it the FA is considering action against him, which is fair, he will probably get a touchline ban, in fairness to Ferguson, he did apologise afterwards, which is more than most managers do in such situations.




kowenicki said:
@highwaystar

not so... we are talking about ignorance of a rule, not incorrect interpretation or bad jusdgement.

it is different.

Ok, if we replayed a football match every time the referee had ignored a rule, even by mistake like in most cases like this, then we would be replaying half the games.



kowenicki said:
SciFiBoy said:
kowenicki said:
@scifi

As I said... it has happened before.

It IS NOT contraversial... it is a breach of the rules. It isnt a suibjective issue such as a linesman not giving offside or a ref not giving a free kick., it is a case of the ref actually seeing it clearly and not even realising a rule had been broken. The ref clearly didnt know the rule. How can that be right?

er, both are breaches of the rules that the referee/linesman didnt see or ignored


OMG you arent listening.  THE REF DIDNT EVEN KNOW THE RULE. 

If a linesman doesn't give an offiside it isnt a breach of the rules... he just DIDNT SEE IT as offside.... totally and utterly different.

then punish the ref for not knowing how to do his job, by no means does that mean the game should be replayed

a goal that is shown that it should have been disalowed after the goal is given is still a goal in every other case, why should it be different because one ref didnt know one rule?

point were missing here, if this had been a goal against United, you wouldnt care, but because it was against one of there rivals your furious.