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heres more from the same website: http://www.politicalcompass.org/euchart

EU Political Compass 2008

"While most of the old Eastern Bloc countries appear to have taken to the free market with the zeal of the recent convert, the simulaneous development of social freedoms has, in some instances been rather slower. The previous Polish Prime Minister, for example, alone among EU leaders and in conflict with EU policy, wanted his country to re-adopt capital punishment.

In the western member states, however, the progressive abolition of economic restrictions seems generally to correspond to the extent of curbs on certain certain civil liberties. The most obvious example is the UK. But in other states, such as Denmark and the Netherlands, extremely liberal traditions in certain social policies have somewhat eroded as neoliberal economics have expanded."

http://www.politicalcompass.org/extremeright

UK Parties 2008

"Firstly, a few words about popular political terms.

Once you accept that left and right are merely measures of economic position, the "extreme right" refers to extremely liberal economics that may be practised by social authoritarians or social libertarians.

Similarly, the "extreme left" identifies a strong degree of state economic control, which may also be accompanied by liberal or authoritarian social policies.

It's muddled thinking to simply describe the likes of the British National Party as "extreme right". The truth is that on issues like health, transport, housing, protectionism and globalisation, their economics are left of Labour, let alone the Conservatives. It's in areas like police power, military power, school discipline, law and order, race and nationalism that the BNP's real extremism - as authoritarians - is clear.

This mirrors France's National Front. In running some local governments, they reinstated certain welfare measures which their Socialist predecessors had abandoned. Like similar authoritarian parties that have sprung up around Europe, they have come to be seen in some quarters as champions of the underdog, as long as the underdog isn't Black, Arab, gay or Jewish ! With mainstream Social Democratic parties adopting - reluctantly or enthusiastically - the new economic libertarian orthodoxy (neo-liberalism), much of their old economic baggage has been pinched by National Socialism. It's becoming the only sort of socialism on offer. Election debates between mainstream parties are increasingly about managerial competence rather than any clash of vision and economic direction.

In the United States, the voices of dissent over unfettered market forces (ie extreme right economics) are heard from social authoritarians like Pat Buchanan as well as social liberals like Ralph Nader.

As an example, take a look at the ground that the main English parties in the UK's 2003 local elections (May 1) occupied in reality. The difference between the BNP and the Greens in economics isn't great, but there's a huge gap on the social scale. Neither scale, however, reveals enormous distances between the Conservatives and New Labour."

 

"In the chart below, we look at the three largest UK parties and the positions that they've occupied on The Political Compass in recent years. We see that New Labour, for example, is actually significantly to the right of the pre-Thatcher Conservative Party. The change under Gordon Brown's leadership is one of style rather than substance, with the Blairite agenda continuing in all but name. As the centre of political gravity moves generally rightwards, the Liberal Democrats, who have held the most consistent ground, now occupy similar economic turf to the other parties, while maintaining a markedly greater concern for civil liberties. Although David Cameron is popularly perceived as "less right wing" than other recent Tory leaders, his real difference is on the social rather than the economic scale."

 

"In 2008, we're hearing more than ever from politicians that 'right' and 'left' are no longer meaningful terms. To the contrary, they're as meaningful as ever, providing that it's understood that they're simply defining economic positions. However, with all the main parties embracing to a greater or lesser extent the prevailing neoliberal economic orthodoxy, it's increasingly - and embarrassingly - difficult for them to define their economic differences. No wonder they're anxious to scrap this measure !

Voter turnout is highest when ideological differences are most significant. This helps explain why the voter turnout is lower in the US than in all other western democracies , most of which have a multiplicity of parties and proportional representation. In the UK, voter turnout may continue to fall to US levels. Lowering the voting age isn't likely to excite participation in elections when the choice is less and less to do with a clash of visions than mere managerial competence. And without those traditionally big choices, one might well wonder where this is going to ultimately leave democracy."

 



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SciFiBoy said:
Sqrl said:

Here is a composite of everyone who has posted thus far:

 

edit:

And just cause here is a blink comparator between us and the grouping MrStick Linked:

It's a 40/18 split conservative vs liberal in the National Electorate for the US so it's not surprising most politicians end up solidly right, but part of it is also due to the compass being based on a more global view of politics.  What is most interesting is the Authoritarian Views of politicians versus the Libertarian views of this community.  While the dividing line within the community seems to be where the government should be less authoratitive.

An interesting question to me is whether the banding that happens with the groups is due to a defficiency of the test, a product of rational thinking requiring a certain degree of consistent thought which forces a limited conformity on minor issues from agreement in major issues, or a bit of both.

cool, nicely done.

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nice to see that the people here support greater freedom than most of the politicians in office today



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It don't matter if they're red or blue, a politician almost always is power hungry and they can't restrain themselves from controlling people.



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mrstickball said:

What about personal freedoms in healthcare, education and retirement? The Democrats seem soundly against that. I agree that Dems want less government involvement in social issues, but more government involvement in everything else. One really doesn't trump the other in the idea of liberty - freedom is freedom regardless if it's social, economic, speech or anything else.

I'm not saying that one trumps the other in terms of freedom.  I'm saying Democrats favor social freedom and economic control while Republicans favor social control and economic freedom.

My main argument is that most people want some freedom and some control in their lives, but they may favor one type of freedom over another.



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The graph of the members is a cool idea.  Here's mine.



This thread really became one of the most interesting ones on here for me.
The second test was way better then the first, but still there were many things not clear enough for me.
The strangest question was something like:

Should companies that mislead costumers be punished?

I strongly agreed, because I had an extreme case in mind: The Contergan-case, which caused heavily misbuild children, because the pharma-company didn't research enough and therefore misleaded the public.

If I had a case in mind like: company A builds yoghurt packings which look like 300g are in them, but there are just 250g in them, I would heavily disagree, because the costumer should be smart enough to look at the packages to see the differences.

Would be interesting, to discuss the questions one by one, to see what others implied, when they read them.

Someone interested???



fmc83 said:
This thread really became one of the most interesting ones on here for me.
The second test was way better then the first, but still there were many things not clear enough for me.
The strangest question was something like:

Should companies that mislead costumers be punished?

I strongly agreed, because I had an extreme case in mind: The Contergan-case, which caused heavily misbuild children, because the pharma-company didn't research enough and therefore misleaded the public.

If I had a case in mind like: company A builds yoghurt packings which look like 300g are in them, but there are just 250g in them, I would heavily disagree, because the costumer should be smart enough to look at the packages to see the differences.

Would be interesting, to discuss the questions one by one, to see what others implied, when they read them.

Someone interested???

Discussing the questions would probably spark over dozens of debates and lead to this thread having about 60 pages.



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Sqrl said:

Here is a composite of everyone who has posted thus far:

 

 


Looks like I edge you out as the most right wing libertarian there Sqrl . Left wing libertarian makes no sense to me at all.



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Pyro as Bill said:
Sqrl said:

Here is a composite of everyone who has posted thus far:

 

 


Looks like I edge you out as the most right wing libertarian there Sqrl . Left wing libertarian makes no sense to me at all.


I edge out everyone as most libertarian, landing about half a space below FaRmLaNd.



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Itsudatte itsudatte itsudatte

Sugu yoko de waratteita

Nakushitemo torimodosu kimi wo

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