Ugh dude don't be so patronising and explain how that makes a damn difference.

Since when did being a mature title hurt its sales?

I'll say about 200k first week. Lifetime will be around 1.75 million.

I'm not "dumb" you're just wrong.

The userbase for 18 rated titles is there for the 360. GTAIV and Gears both previously sold way past 5 million, yet Gears 2 has only just hit 5 million, so the newly introduce customers didn't buy into it.

Ratchet will be no different. Especially to the point of 700k.

What is your problem, someone is "dumb" because they don't agree with you?

Ratchet will not get another 700k in sales due to a PS3 price drop. The Ratchet series has sold to 1 in 15 PS3 users, even if the PS3's price cut generated a 3 million userbase boost over christmas (unlikley) that still doesn't make up anywhere near 700k.

You need to learn to debate more seriously insted of trying to borderline insult someone that doesn't agree with your opinions, further more if you actually gave your reasoning from that start you wouldn't have to behave like a "know it all" and have a serious discussion.

Someone is dumb if they don't get something that's logic and obvious. I never insulted you as I never called you any names.

I'm starting to think you're just too stubborn though. I'm fine with people not agreeing with me, but the logic is just too obvious for me to explain it any further, I can't believe you genuinely do not understand. It's so obvious that I thought you were just making believe like you didn't get it in the beginning just so you could argue, but obviously you don't get it.
I'm not acting like a know it all, but damn man, are you sure you just don't wanna argue?

Okay, let me make this a long post as it'll be my last one on this subject with you.

First off I'm not talking about the numbers and whatnot because I don't really believe the numbers on this site, I like the community here, but I believe in numbers from Sony, MS, Nintendo first and foremost and then I believe in numbers from NPD, Gfk, Enterbrain, etc...For example, Sony themselves said LBP is at 1.3 million a little while ago and ioi has it at 2.2 million or something here, really makes no sense to me but whatever. So

I do not believe the numbers here, so the 700k more compared to what FTOD did according to vgchartz is irrelevant to me as I don't believe the vgchartz numbers anyways.

My point is that a kiddy/casual game will sell a lot more than a hardcore, mature title. Gamers and hardcore gamers will spend the money in order to play Gears, Halo, Killzone, Gran Turismo, Resistance, Fable, God of War, Uncharted, etc.... a soccer mom will not buy Jimmy a $400 dollar system, so she will not buy him the game as Jimmy will not obviously have the system. It's something that's been touched on by various developers on neogaf, including James Stevenson from Insomniac Games. Simply put, a mature, hardcore game can be sold on more expensive systems, as it's been proven, the hardcore fanbase will spend the money to play the hardcore games. Obviously if the system is cheaper it'll have a chance to sell more hardware.

Now a casual/kiddy game will benefit greatly from a cheaper system, games such as Viva Pinata, LBP, Ratchet, Singstar, Buzz, You're in The Movies, Lips, etc benefit from a cheaper system. Now before you say, well Lips didn't do too hot according to the leaked NPD numbers, well my answer to that is it did extremely well in EU where it charted throughout the Holidays, it also allowed MS to bundle the product and get it charting for weeks. The reason it kinda failed in the US was its price, it was priced at $70 where the competition was $10 dollars cheaper and even other karaoke games on the 360 were cheaper. You cannot tell me it would've had the success it had on its first entry if the 360 was priced at a hardcore price instead of casual price it was in last Holiday, even though it was bundled and such it was still a success.

Last point, and to keep PS3 only I'll say this, Uncharted 2 won't benefit much from a price drop, the reason U2 might outsell the original is because of how much better and prettier is than the original and because rumor has it it'll actually be advertised this time. Ratchet won't be that much better and prettier than FTOD but it'll benefit a lot from a price drop.

Hopefully that's enough for you to understand why a price drop benefits casual/kiddy titles but doesn't benefit hardcore titles as much. If you can't understand that, then sorry, I can't help you.

I skipped most of your post as it was far too much, other people have POV, bare that in mind.

Banjo, Viva 2 and other casual games did pretty poorly in comparison to the early Viva Pinata.

Only one Ratchet game has ever sold beyond 2.5 million and the next game is not going to change that.

The PS3 price cut is not going to attract casuals, it still won't be at mass market price and it takes a lot more than a price drop to attract casuals.

You're being very narrow minded, I am not stubborn I am open to debate, nothing you has said (when you actually finally said something) makes me believe Ratchet will get anywhere near 2.9 million. We shall see when it releases.

I said I was gonna be done, but......you ask me to explain something and then you skip most of the post? And I'm narrow minded? Whatever you say and you keep believing whatever makes you sleep better at night, I now think you're just trollish for the hell of it, I never said Ratchet was gonna sell 2.9 million, whatever dude, like I said, believe whatever you want and make you sleep better at night.

Really done with the convo now so I don't care what you think, no matter how wrong your opinion is, you're as stubborn as a mule.

^^ actually you did, look at my first post which you replied to.

"The 360 price cut did little for Gears 2, why would a PS3 price cut add another 700k to R&C?"

I never even said the cut won't help Ratchet, I said to the tune of 700k. If you think it will then just look at the predictions in this thread. You're out numbered.

there was nothing trollish about my posts, I gave resonable answers and even a mod agree's with my sentiments so you can cut that out for a start.

Further more me not reading that WALLOTEXT does not make me narrowminded.

And nothing on this ite makes me "sleep better at night"

Seriously be a little more mature next time yeah?