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amp316 said:

I know what you guys are thinking already.  You're asking yourselves, "But Mr. 316... aren't you the guy that said that the Conduit would be huge?  Don't the sales figures from it's first two weeks in existence point toward it being a sucess?"

The answer to question 1 is:  Yes, I was that guy.

The answer to question 2 is: No.  I shall spend most of this thread explaining my answer to question 2.

Below I will give a sales comparison between four FPS games from this generation going by VGChartz official numbers (the only numbers that I go by ):

The Conduit  ( first week 94,469, second week 61,947, approximately 160 K for the first 2 weeks total)

Halo 3  ( first week 3,815,444, second week 782,396, approximately 4.6 million for the first 2 weeks total)

Killzone 2  ( first week 756,245, second week 327,739, approximately 1.2 million for the first 2 weeks total)

Haze  ( first week 152,126, second week 63,340, approximately 220 K for the first 2 weeks total)

Notice that the Conduit has sold the least amount of copies out of these four?  How can it not be considered a flop?  It doesn't matter that the other three games had much, much, much, much, much, much higher budgets.  It just matters that it sold less.  Also, the fact that the Conduit was only released in America and the others were released world wide isn't of any relevance either.  Especially in Haze's case.  Haze might have only sold ( first week 91,781, second week 22,761, approximately 114 K for the first two week total in America, which might be 46 K less than the Conduit, but look at the big picture.  In the entire world it sold 60 K more.)

I made the argument before that the Conduit would be huge because of the celebrity involvement of Kevin Sorbo and Rick Nielsen.  It turns out that I was wrong and that they needed different celebrities.  I'll give some suggestions as to who I think could have been involved in this project.

First off, istead of Rick Nielsen playing guitar on the soundtrack they should have had Steve Miller or Yngwie Malmsteen.  Take your pick.  Steve Miller's Fly "Like An Eagle" and Yngwie Malmsteen's "Rising Force" sound so similar that you'd think that you were listening to the same album if you didn't know any better.  Look into it if you don't believe me.  Either would have been a better choice.

Next off, I was looking into Kevin Sorbo's acting history and it says that he made a guest appearance on four episodes on Dharma and Greg.  This most certainly had to hurt the sales of the Conduit.  High Voltage should have gotten another guy with experience in the fantasy (swords and sorcery) and the science fiction genres if that's what they were looking for.  They should have went with Marc Singer.  He starred in the movie the Beastmaster along with ferrets Kodo and Podo, eagle Sharak, and tiger Ruh.  Everyone loves Kodo and Podo and they could have been brought along with Marc in order to make the Conduit bigger than Halo 3, Killzone 2, and Haze put together.  Mr. Singer also potrayed Mike Donovan on the show V and everyone knows that V is a gajillion times better than Sorbo's show, Andromeda. 

Looking into the rest of the voice actors I'd have to say that they could have done better than Mark A. Sheppard as Agent Michael Ford.  His claim to fame is being on some Firefly and Battlestar Galactica episodes I guess.    He sounds like Snake Plisken just swallowed a bunch of weinie pills in the game.  I'm pretty sure that the "real" Snake Plisken, Kurt Russell, probably would have cost too much money, so I suggest that they should have went with Dirk Benedict.  Not only was he Starbuck on the original Battlestar Galactica, but he was Face on the A-Team.  'Nuff said.

Last but not least, W. Morgan Sheppard does the voice of John Adams.  Looking at his acting resume, his two biggest parts are Klingon Commander in Star Trek VI:  The Undiscovered Country and Vulcan Science Minister in the most recent Star Trek movie.  Why was he chosen you ask?  Apparently Mark Sheppard is his son.  Also, he was the narrator in the fist three Medal Of Honor games and he read the poem "Rendezvous", by Alan Seger in a Gears of War 2 commercial.  Possibly his involvement in FPS was important to High Voltage.    I would suggest another actor instead of him.  How about David Warner?  He did voice work in both the games Baldur's Gate II:  Shadows of Amn and Fallout.  If he needs science fiction credentials I will give you some.  He was in two Star Trek movies as well (V and VI), did the voice of Doctor Who in some audio plays, and was the villian Sark in Tron.  Warner gave one of the all time great acting performances when he was Evil in Time Bandits.  That's right, he wasn't some evil guy but he was Evil.  He played Evil to perfection.

So there you go.  The Conduit could have better sales if they had better people involved.

The biggest thing that the Conduit is missing though is a chainsaw.  Putting a chainsaw in the game would have increased it's sales tenfold.  Shooting people just isn't good enough anymore.  Now we have to dice them up into little pieces.

Who knows?  Maybe the Wii just can't sell hardcore games? 

It's for teh kiddiez and teh casualz, right? 

 

 

 

 

Hum.was this a joke?

Let me point at your extensive comparison flaws shall we:

1 Comparing consoles that burn quickly its sales on the first few days compared to the wii slow and steady sales is already proven to be useless.Mario kart comes to mind.It sold much more than any of those titles .But it sold less on the first weeks.Why?thats the wii way.

2.so comparing to other wii shooters, TC was the fastest selling game. And one of the cheapest ones to make.

3.You comparing big ,inmensely expensive projects to a small dev team game made in less than 2 years? Halo? HALO?Games that costed 3 to 6 more times to develop in terms of technology fees , crew and time, marketting costs and more?

4.You comparing a small budget shooter to the biggest hits on the other consoles?why not comparing it to the average shooters of PS3 and 360. The Conduit has outsold several bigger budget shooters on the PS3 and 360. What do you say about that? Do you understand that a bomb is a loss? No way how you try to make this fit, Conduit IS gonna turn a big profit.

 

 

I don't know?  Was it a joke?  Read it and tell me.

1.  You're right.  The Conduit's sales will start to increase after a few weeks, just like Mario Kart.

2.  Fastest selling Wii shooter?  It was already pointed out by me earlier in this thread that Red Steel has outsold the Conduit up until this point. 

One of the cheapest to make?  I'm guessing that it cost more than Far Cry: Vengeance, Call Of Duty 3, Brothers In Arms: Double Time, Medal Of Honor: Vanguard, Medal Of Honor : Heroes 2, and History Channel: Battle for the Pacific to make the Conduit to name some shooters.

3.  You obviously didn't read what you quoted.

4.  Same as 3. 



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RolStoppable said:
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And yet it will be more profitible then alot of the million sellers on the HD twins.

More profitable than crappy ones. And if this game was on an HD console, it would be amongst the crap.

Edit: On a side note, if there was truth to your statement I think we'd see more quality 3rd party support on the Wii. Wouldn't we?

Not really, because this generation third parties have made plenty of bad business decisions, that's why they have lost so much money.


Yes.  Like releasing all of their stuff on the other two consoles. 

As much of a flop as the Conduit is,  I bet that it gets a sequel and that those other two games that they are developing come to the Wii without any problems getting a publisher.  This wouldn't be quality 3rd party support though.  It would be crappy 3rd party support, right?



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RolStoppable said:
amp316 said:
RolStoppable said:

Not really, because this generation third parties have made plenty of bad business decisions, that's why they have lost so much money.


Yes.  Like releasing all of their stuff on the other two consoles. 

As much of a flop as the Conduit is,  I bet that it gets a sequel and that those other two games that they are developing come to the Wii without any problems getting a publisher.  This wouldn't be quality 3rd party support though.  It would be crappy 3rd party support, right?

Yes, it would be crappy support, because only established third parties can deliver good games. Those who always made mediocre games will continue to pump out trash for the rest of their life. Nobody can improve, neither can anyone fall from grace.

Their goal is to eventually make an HD game, so they make enough profit on the Wii and then release a statement that they had done all they can do on the console and use all that profit for a soso game on the big boys machine which would put them out business.



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11/20/09 04:25 makingmusic476 Warning Other (Your avatar is borderline NSFW. Please keep it for as long as possible.)

@ psrock You said that you were going to kick asses and take names if this game did not sell well. Are the sales good enough, or do you agree with me that the game flopped?



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@ psrock You said that you were going to kick asses and take names if this game did not sell well. Are the sales good enough, or do you agree with me that the game flopped?

The second week numbers appeased my anger. I see it being quite successful, it has no compettition really. Should have haze type numbers by next year, and eventually die off with Resistance 2 numbers.



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psrock said:
amp316 said:
@ psrock You said that you were going to kick asses and take names if this game did not sell well. Are the sales good enough, or do you agree with me that the game flopped?

The second week numbers appeased my anger. I see it being quite successful, it has no compettition really. Should have haze type numbers by next year, and eventually die off with Resistance 2 numbers.

Sounds like a fairly accurate prediction to me.  What do I know though?

I'm still waiting for House Of the Dead: Overkill to reach a million.  This is why I ask the experts.   



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amp316 said:
psrock said:
amp316 said:
@ psrock You said that you were going to kick asses and take names if this game did not sell well. Are the sales good enough, or do you agree with me that the game flopped?

The second week numbers appeased my anger. I see it being quite successful, it has no compettition really. Should have haze type numbers by next year, and eventually die off with Resistance 2 numbers.

Sounds like a fairly accurate prediction to me.  What do I know though?

I'm still waiting for House Of the Dead: Overkill to reach a million.  This is why I ask the experts.   

the problem with Wii games and people like me is the fact i don't have a year or two to wait to claim a game is successful, i want to make my decision at least a month after release.



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11/20/09 04:25 makingmusic476 Warning Other (Your avatar is borderline NSFW. Please keep it for as long as possible.)

It was a game that appealed to a nerdy audience. Wii's nerdy audience is very low compared to other gaming platforms as it took the mainstream PS2 audience and the previous kiddy Nintendo audience; the non-nerdy gaming audience. Most people playing the Wii are normal people, not the type who like to sit in front of a TV 10+ hours a day playing a game that simply involves pointing a cursor at a target and eliminating it with the theme of guns and things that are shot. Therefore, the Conduit didn't have a mass market that a game like Wii Sports Resort or Super Mario Galaxy does.



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Jumpin said:

It was a game that appealed to a nerdy audience. Wii's nerdy audience is very low compared to other gaming platforms as it took the mainstream PS2 audience and the previous kiddy Nintendo audience; the non-nerdy gaming audience. Most people playing the Wii are normal people, not the type who like to sit in front of a TV 10+ hours a day playing a game that simply involves pointing a cursor at a target and eliminating it with the theme of guns and things that are shot. Therefore, the Conduit didn't have a mass market that a game like Wii Sports Resort or Super Mario Galaxy does.

Yeah you are right.  FPS isn't mainstream...



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It will sell just Fine, it did not start off well because the game simply is not as good as people hoped. It will sell a million so it would do fine.