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hellonearth on 18 July 2009
CGI-Quality said:
hellonearth said:
Squilliam said:
hellonearth said:
and how exactly do you "prove" that it's impossibile?

Because you assume the systems will continue to sell at the same rate they are currently selling?

Because you neglect that there will be huge boosts in Ps3 sales when FFXIII comes out in Japan this winter...when God of War III comes out in March...when GT5 comes out...when there is a price cut...etc.

Seriously. I didn't read through the entire thread and do not intend to. Did you factor any of that into your claims?

Nothing is impossible but its improbable enough to make people consider you to be wacky when you bring it up as if its likely. The math is all over this thread, no point in repeating.

A large boost is in the order of 100k or 200k or even 300k consoles sold for the really really large boosts. Next to that 9M its nothing. So even if GT5/FFXIII boost sales by half a million combined it still leaves a gap of 8.5M to overcome and they are the final pieces of software which could boost sales.

God Of War 3 will do very little for sales, if MGS4 didn't do that much and it was a series which was both bigger and popular in Japan.

I think you're not factoring anything into your claims, go check past precedent. The data for the MGS4 release is available and that was with a $100 cut in America, BC 80GB available temporarily and the biggest hardware spike in Japan to date for the PS3.

Why do people neglect this: http://vgchartz.com/hwlaunch.php

 

The ONLY reason 360 is higher in sales is because it's been out a year longer. However, Ps3 will MORE THAN LIKELY be on the market atleast a year longer than 360.

You guys act as if this gen is over as soon as the first next-gen system comes out.

 

You must remember though that for that info to be relevant, PS3 would need to be catching up to the 360. It currently is not, so graphs and year head starts prove nothing here, except that Sony had brand name on it's side more this gen than any other.

 

Again - what makes ppl think that sales figures will always stay the same?

 

PlayStation's three biggest titles havent even released yet. The freakin DEMO of FFXIII pushed alot of hardware in Japan, what do you think is going to happen when the actual game comes out?

 

 

 

 



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hellonearth on 18 July 2009
atma998 said:
''The ONLY reason 360 is higher in sales is because it's been out a year longer.''

LOL, So why Wii is higher than 360 then?

I guess you think you're clever or something. But the obvious answer is: Because it's sold more than 2 million more than 360 in 2.5 years.



hellonearth on 18 July 2009
Garnett said:

Hellonearth even if we compare 360 to PS3 on November 11th,360 still outsold the PS3.

So? Why chose a specific date to favor your argument.

 

The ONLY fair way of comparing sales is to compare the Ps3's 2.5 year lifespan sales, to the Xbox360's first 2.5 years.

 

And Ps3 has sold BETTER than 360 in that same amount of time.



hellonearth on 18 July 2009
Squilliam said:
And why do the people who post that always neglect this?: http://vgchartz.com/hwlaunch.php?cons1=Wii&reg1=All&cons2=PS3&reg2=All&cons3=X360&reg3=All&weeks=176&weekly=1 ?

Whats going to happen when the PS3 sales hit the massive spike in late 2008 and early 2009 on that graph?

More than likely be out on the market longer? Ok, give me proof or give yourself death. Thats the kicker with that graph, since Microsoft have explicitly stated that they are only half way through their generation. Their sales have never fallen when you take one year and compare it to the next.


What is that chart supposed to prove? If anything, you just help prove my point that sales always fluctuate between the systems as the link you provide clearly shows the Ps3 has outsold the 360 and vice versa. It doesnt stay the same.

 

"More than likely be out on the market longer? Ok, give me proof or give yourself death."

 

Why would the onus be on me to prove it? Why don't YOU prove that it won't be on the market longer. look at Sonys past history with PsOne and Ps2 and it doesnt take a genius to figure out that they support their consoles far longer than anyone else. the Ps2 is STILL selling on par with these next-gen consoles and we're already 3.5 years into this gen.

 

 



FaRmLaNd on 18 July 2009

No. The burden of proof is on the one that makes the initial statement. Prove that the ps3 will be on the market at least a year longer please.



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hellonearth on 18 July 2009

I dont have to prove anything. Look at the last 2 PlayStation's genius.



FayeC on 18 July 2009
hellonearth said:
Garnett said:

Hellonearth even if we compare 360 to PS3 on November 11th,360 still outsold the PS3.

So? Why chose a specific date to favor your argument.

 

The ONLY fair way of comparing sales is to compare the Ps3's 2.5 year lifespan sales, to the Xbox360's first 2.5 years.

 

And Ps3 has sold BETTER than 360 in that same amount of time.

Thats not fair at all. The 360 has been out a year longer and always will have been out a year longer. It doesnt help Sony, Microsoft, or anyone else to try to base sales (of all things) in a fanciful world where they launched together.

All that matters is todays current sales. They matter because they well enevitably be closer to the end result than yesterdays sales, and most certainly closer than sales in the world of pretend.



Garnett on 18 July 2009

@Hellonearth

 

November 11th 2006 is a week after PS3 came out,If we do an alligned launch then Xbox 360 LEADING,PS3 is LOSING,so the hole year arguement is invalid.



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billsalias on 18 July 2009
hellonearth said:
Garnett said:

Hellonearth even if we compare 360 to PS3 on November 11th,360 still outsold the PS3.

So? Why chose a specific date to favor your argument.

 

The ONLY fair way of comparing sales is to compare the Ps3's 2.5 year lifespan sales, to the Xbox360's first 2.5 years.

 

And Ps3 has sold BETTER than 360 in that same amount of time.

 

You do realize your own argument against him also applies to you, right? Why chose to align launches when the environmen they each launched into was totally different, because it favors your position maybe?

 

Here are the facts that are actually meaningful to anyone that works in the game industry:

  - total sales of PS3 is less then the 360.

 - sales of PS3 since the 360 launched are less

 - sales per week of the PS3 are less then the 360

 - sales of both PS3 and 360 are less then Wii in all categories.

 - there has been no lasting change in momentum from any player since all three have been in the market. Any changes have reverted back to a steady state that looks an lot like the weekly sales right now, though the Wii is down a little bit from whT I would consider "normal" for it.

 - there is no sign of a major change happening currently. There are some fluctuations but in this season it is hard to determine if they mean anything long term.

 - All three players still have a lot of options for moving consoles in terms of price cuts and adding value.

 



hellonearth on 18 July 2009
FayeC said:
hellonearth said:
Garnett said:

Hellonearth even if we compare 360 to PS3 on November 11th,360 still outsold the PS3.

So? Why chose a specific date to favor your argument.

 

The ONLY fair way of comparing sales is to compare the Ps3's 2.5 year lifespan sales, to the Xbox360's first 2.5 years.

 

And Ps3 has sold BETTER than 360 in that same amount of time.

Thats not fair at all. The 360 has been out a year longer and always will have been out a year longer. It doesnt help Sony, Microsoft, or anyone else to try to base sales (of all things) in a fanciful world where they launched together.

All that matters is todays current sales. They matter because they well enevitably be closer to the end result than yesterdays sales, and most certainly closer than sales in the world of pretend.

It's not fair to compare 2.5 years of sales to 2.5 years of sales, but you think it's fair to compare 2.5 years vs. 3.5 years of sales.

 

LOL! Stop owning yourself.