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andrewpeirce on 04 October 2007

ahhh
Hope this isn't true. are you sure he had a falcon model?



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LordTheNightKnight on 04 October 2007
twesterm said:
IllegalPaladin said:
LordTheNightKnight said:
Next firmware update, there should be a screen, during the bootup, reminding gamers that 4 rings just mean to check the plugs, that is if firmware can't correct the ring setup anyway.

That confusion has led to a lot of perfectly working systems sent for repairs (meaning the 30% return rate is at the very least inflated), causing real repairs to be backed up.

I don't completely believe that since you're supposed to call their tech support if you suspect you have a problem. Maybe some people got it wrong, but I'm sure one of the top things to check for on the tech support checklist is the warning the red rings are giving you.


Yeah, one of the first questions they ask you is if you have red lights and how many. I personally hope they don't give you an extra screen at startup telling you this since 1) you have to go through tech support to send in your 360 and they ask you and 2) it would be as annoying as the Wii startup screen.


 Not everyone calls tech support, and the Microsoft repair centers did state the consoles were sent in because of the four rings, when they worked fine.

 Plus the screen wouldn't be anything more than Nintendo's startup messages seizure warnings. You would just have to press A again to continue.



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andrewpeirce on 04 October 2007
sinha said:
naznatips said:
Crap. Guess I still need to wait longer. I want a 360 Microsoft. I really really do. There are so many games I want. Please just make it reliable, and I'll buy it.

You are never going to get a 360 if this is your standard.

1) Some percentage of brand new 360s will always RRoD. When they do, photos will be posted online, you'll see them, and not buy a 360. Even if new 360s are 1,000 times more reliable, all it apparently takes for you to not buy one is for a few photos of a few consoles with RRoD to show up on the internet (based on this "First case of..." story).

2) New 360s could become 1,000 times more reliable ("could," I'm not saying they are), but anyone who really wants to could still MAKE a new 360 RRoD if they try hard enough. And plenty of people out there may want to do so for various reasons, and they will post photos online. Give me any high-tech electronic device and I'll get it to malfunction within one hour.

There will be plentiful cases of RRoD throughout the lifespan of the 360, no matter what Microsoft does.

 


 My friend at school bought a 360 2 or 3 days ago. 10 minutes after he bought it it got RRoD lol. Obviosuly he was able to return it at the store, but it was pretty funy to hear about.



kevbo77 on 04 October 2007

I saw this pic on the gamespot forums on monday. Unfortunately, for the poster, there's no way to tell from the picture that this Halo 360 has the falcon chip, as not all of them have them. If we see an epidemic of this, then yes the Falcon was ineffective in stopping the RROD, but IMO, I think we'll be seeing a lot less RROD's in the years to come.



twesterm on 04 October 2007
LordTheNightKnight said:
twesterm said:
IllegalPaladin said:
LordTheNightKnight said:
Next firmware update, there should be a screen, during the bootup, reminding gamers that 4 rings just mean to check the plugs, that is if firmware can't correct the ring setup anyway.

That confusion has led to a lot of perfectly working systems sent for repairs (meaning the 30% return rate is at the very least inflated), causing real repairs to be backed up.

I don't completely believe that since you're supposed to call their tech support if you suspect you have a problem. Maybe some people got it wrong, but I'm sure one of the top things to check for on the tech support checklist is the warning the red rings are giving you.


Yeah, one of the first questions they ask you is if you have red lights and how many. I personally hope they don't give you an extra screen at startup telling you this since 1) you have to go through tech support to send in your 360 and they ask you and 2) it would be as annoying as the Wii startup screen.


Not everyone calls tech support, and the Microsoft repair centers did state the consoles were sent in because of the four rings, when they worked fine.

Plus the screen wouldn't be anything more than Nintendo's startup messages seizure warnings. You would just have to press A again to continue.


  1. In order to send your console in you have to talk to somebody and that somebody is going to make sure there actually is a problem. You can't just put your 360 in a box, write TO: MICROSOFT, ATN: RROD!!!!!, you have to go through a few hoops first.  Of course this doesn't stop people from telling lies/over reating/being too stupid to look but a startup screen isn't going to fix any of that.
  2. I know the screen would be exactly like the Wii's, that's why I said that it would be like the Wii's opening screen. What you missed was that I and just about everyone else hates having to go through that extra step to turn your console on. I'm sure people that have universal remotes turn their 360 that don't have the A button mapped (say to watch DVD's) will hate it even more.


 

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LordTheNightKnight on 04 October 2007
twesterm said:
LordTheNightKnight said:
twesterm said:
IllegalPaladin said:
LordTheNightKnight said:
Next firmware update, there should be a screen, during the bootup, reminding gamers that 4 rings just mean to check the plugs, that is if firmware can't correct the ring setup anyway.

That confusion has led to a lot of perfectly working systems sent for repairs (meaning the 30% return rate is at the very least inflated), causing real repairs to be backed up.

I don't completely believe that since you're supposed to call their tech support if you suspect you have a problem. Maybe some people got it wrong, but I'm sure one of the top things to check for on the tech support checklist is the warning the red rings are giving you.


Yeah, one of the first questions they ask you is if you have red lights and how many. I personally hope they don't give you an extra screen at startup telling you this since 1) you have to go through tech support to send in your 360 and they ask you and 2) it would be as annoying as the Wii startup screen.


Not everyone calls tech support, and the Microsoft repair centers did state the consoles were sent in because of the four rings, when they worked fine.

Plus the screen wouldn't be anything more than Nintendo's startup messages seizure warnings. You would just have to press A again to continue.


  1. In order to send your console in you have to talk to somebody and that somebody is going to make sure there actually is a problem. You can't just put your 360 in a box, write TO: MICROSOFT, ATN: RROD!!!!!, you have to go through a few hoops first.
  2. I know the screen would be exactly like the Wii's, that's why I said that it would be like the Wii's opening screen. What you missed was that I and just about everyone else hates having to go through that extra step to turn your console on. I'm sure people that have universal remotes turn their 360 that don't have the A button mapped (say to watch DVD's) will hate it even more.

 1. How does that change the fact that some got in there anyway?

 2. Maybe not the A button, but any button, even on the remotes. And who cares if you hate it? If it teaches people to tell the rings apart, then it does its job.



A flashy-first game is awesome when it comes out. A great-first game is awesome forever.

Plus, just for the hell of it: Kelly Brook at the 2008 BAFTAs

twesterm on 04 October 2007
LordTheNightKnight said:
twesterm said:
LordTheNightKnight said:
twesterm said:
IllegalPaladin said:
LordTheNightKnight said:
Next firmware update, there should be a screen, during the bootup, reminding gamers that 4 rings just mean to check the plugs, that is if firmware can't correct the ring setup anyway.

That confusion has led to a lot of perfectly working systems sent for repairs (meaning the 30% return rate is at the very least inflated), causing real repairs to be backed up.

I don't completely believe that since you're supposed to call their tech support if you suspect you have a problem. Maybe some people got it wrong, but I'm sure one of the top things to check for on the tech support checklist is the warning the red rings are giving you.


Yeah, one of the first questions they ask you is if you have red lights and how many. I personally hope they don't give you an extra screen at startup telling you this since 1) you have to go through tech support to send in your 360 and they ask you and 2) it would be as annoying as the Wii startup screen.


Not everyone calls tech support, and the Microsoft repair centers did state the consoles were sent in because of the four rings, when they worked fine.

Plus the screen wouldn't be anything more than Nintendo's startup messages seizure warnings. You would just have to press A again to continue.


  1. In order to send your console in you have to talk to somebody and that somebody is going to make sure there actually is a problem. You can't just put your 360 in a box, write TO: MICROSOFT, ATN: RROD!!!!!, you have to go through a few hoops first.
  2. I know the screen would be exactly like the Wii's, that's why I said that it would be like the Wii's opening screen. What you missed was that I and just about everyone else hates having to go through that extra step to turn your console on. I'm sure people that have universal remotes turn their 360 that don't have the A button mapped (say to watch DVD's) will hate it even more.

1. How does that change the fact that some got in there anyway?

2. Maybe not the A button, but any button, even on the remotes. And who cares if you hate it? If it teaches people to tell the rings apart, then it does its job.


 It doesn't change the fact that some will always get in there.  Like I said, there will always be the people that just plain lie, don't bother to look other than seeing red, or just plain over react that their 360 does what everyone else's did.  And the screen wouldn't teach people anything because people don't read it. 

Why do you think that if a tech support person specifically asking how many red lights do you see won't stop the misdiagnosed 360's that a screen that nobody reads will?  Believe me, all that extra screen will do is just aggravate people.



 

LordTheNightKnight on 04 October 2007

http://kotaku.com/gaming/top/the-xbox-360s-other-red-ring-288611.php

It's right there. It also says that future bundles will likely not come with that confusing in the rings. So you don't have to worry about losing a few precious seconds of you life skipping past one more screen to play.



A flashy-first game is awesome when it comes out. A great-first game is awesome forever.

Plus, just for the hell of it: Kelly Brook at the 2008 BAFTAs

LordTheNightKnight on 04 October 2007

"Why do you think that if a tech support person specifically asking how many red lights do you see won't stop the misdiagnosed 360's that a screen that nobody reads will?"

What part of "not everybody calls tech support" didn't you understand?



A flashy-first game is awesome when it comes out. A great-first game is awesome forever.

Plus, just for the hell of it: Kelly Brook at the 2008 BAFTAs

twesterm on 04 October 2007
LordTheNightKnight said:
What part of "not everybody calls tech support" didn't you understand?

 How do you get your 360 to microsoft if you don't talk to anybody?