I knew that database management class I'm taking would help me at some point rather than just bore me to death.

i wonder if the 65nm models of the Xenon and Xenos would have that much problem with heat as its 90nm version.

I don't really think Twestern needed to explain himself, but that aside I also don't think he failed to explain it well enough either. Pretty simply concept, really, for anyone who has ever sent a console in for repairs. You cannot just send your machine in and expect it to be fixed. You actually have to talk to someone to know where you'd even send it, first and foremost. And I'm fairly sure that was said plenty of times.

OT: While this is all very anecdotal evidence, if it turn out to be true I'd bet anything MS has a massive lawsuit in their future.  Even agreeign to fix all of their mistakes at no cost to the customer is not enough to make up for repeated offenses against their customers in this manner.  They had better hope this is an isolated event, or else their goose is about to get cooked.  Hell, even as someone that wants to see them "languish" in third place for the generation I can't say that I wanted to see their 65nm units fail.

Well Microsoft isn't all that good at building up consumer confidance are they. I bought a 360 Elite the first non-Nintendo console I have ever purchased and honestly I remain unimpressed. My console has frozen multiple times with many different games and with the talk of Red Ring of Death I have gone and purchased an intec fan stand as well as aimed two of my household fans at the console.

Honestly if my console gets hit with the Red Ring of Death I will be severly angry. I am glad that it is covered under warranty but even the idea that 2-years after the console launched that Microsoft still hasn't fixed a defect their consoles have suffered for the last six years.

 I mean I love Halo3 but my buddy is on his fifth 360 and mine already freezes. I haven't had a console freeze on me during normal play (Less then 8-hours strait) since the NES. My last console to freeze was my SNES which I left on 3-days before it was shot. I would leave the SNES on all day while I was at school whenever I was not at a save point. 

 So how is it that the SNES could last 3-days and the N64 could last ages and the GameCube could last ages. But only a few hours after purchasing my 360 it was freezing during gameplay? I e-mailed Microsoft who suggested that the problem of course wasn't the 360 but the game disks. But the problem has persisted even with Halo3 which froze today and my console is pipping hot. Of course I played Halo3 for about 6-hours before the console froze up.  

Fact is come 2009 they may as well just call the next X-Box, X-Box: RROD. Because honestly Microsoft's track record blows. How can you still have over heating and Red Ring Of Death problems 6-years after they begun! 

In console terms, MS's track record doesn't really suck that bad. The original Xbox was as steady as a rock, and my roommate's still worked as good as new even after his nephew (2 or 3 at the time) quite literally used it as a toilet and took a piss on it. And there have even been reports of it being able to survive being shot by a gun. The machine was like a rock.

The problem with the 360 was that MS knew what features people wanted in a console (in terms of size, price, and features) and they worked towards that direction to beat Sony as cheaply as possible and it just didn't work. IF the 65nm machines still aren't making that mark, there will certainly be hell to pay. But we don't have much evidence for that just yet.

As for you, well, you're just lucky those other systems didn't freeze. Though, of course, long-term usage doesn't have as much to do with it as you'd think. Really, I've had a ton of systems lock up on me that never needed to be repaired at all. Lock-ups happen, sure, and they suck too, but they are hardly a matter for deep concern. Play-time has little do with it.

Does anyone know when the Falcons Started Shipping out?