^^I am actually unimpressed by the amount of people that play games over Steam. Especially since it is the premier PC online service.
naznatips said:
There is nothing in the world more profitable than WoW. Pokemon gamers don't pay $15 per month, whereas more than 11 million WoW gamers do (after already paying a minimum of $20 for the game, and if they got both expansions probably $60-$100 or more depending on the time of purchase). And bullshit it's a minority. There are more than 20 million active accounts on Steam alone, exceding XBL Gold accounts, PSN acounts, and online Wii consoles combined. And that's just one service. There are Half a dozen other popular services on PC including X-Fire, Battlenet, and impulse. Adding to that 20 million MMO players and the console online gaming market is a joke in comparison. This is even more ridiculous since we are talking about a list advertising Left 4 Dead 2, which will be well over twice as successful on PC with Steam. And it really doesn't matter what market you are talking about, PC gaming is hugely important. Activision Blizzard makes more money on PC game sales than Xbox 360 or PS3, even taking away World of Warcraft (Which btw counted for some 42% of the profit for the entire company). PopCap games has sold more than 200 million games, with Bejeweled alone (the original bejeweled) selling 25 million units. Even Nintendo can't sell that many games in 6 years.
PS: I'm much happier with the 360's lineup this year than I was last year actually. I'll be buying from that list are ODST, Splinter Cell, and The Ballad of Gay Tony (L4D2 on PC, Forza 3 maybe when it's $20 or less). That said, I'm still buying more PS3 and Wii games, and a lot more PC games when the year is considered as a whole. For the 2nd half of this year (from now through December) it's much closer, but for the year as a whole it's the system I'm buying the least for by far. Not that that bugs me much since I still have a lot of backcatalog to play through. |
20 million is about the number of gold subscribers alone right now. Did you not see E3? PSN has basically like 23 million and idk about the wii's weird online service.
I'm pretty sure WoW is bested by all the pokemons on handhelds alone, but nothing is as monstrous as wii fit wii sports resort. Combined in only about 1.5 years (avg because when came out in under 1.5 years and one came out over 1.5 years) both these wii games have sold about 70 million copies. They all cost what $40-$50 bucks a copy? Do the math.
All those WoW players don't neccesarily have a pc that can play games like the ones pc share with the 360. Don't throw some random number or your perception as a reply, the fact is that you can't prove that all MMO players have a pc capable of playing the latest games and we at least know that not all of them do. Alot of them even the ones that do have gaming PCs don't want to buy a game like L4D anyway, it's not their cup of tea.
PC gaming isn;t impoertant, it's just near and dear to alot of peoples hearts because it was the center of gaming for years in the past. Alot of people just do it to keep it relevant and around. There were a few articles in the last 2 years about how PC gaming was dying and what could be done to save it. Analyst pointed out though that PC gaming will never truly die because of MMOs and RTSs which brings me to my next point.
Activision Blizzard is primarily a MMO company. They make MMOs, thats their thing. Everyone knows that MMOs are huge on pc, they are synonymous with pc. That's because everyone has a computer and most of these people's computers are good enough performance wise to play an MMO such as WoW. The PC MMO market does not and CANNOT represent the PC HD gaming market with strong rigs that can handle games like halo and L4D and Crysis, etc. The PC HD gaming market is not nearly as huge.
The fact is that aside from performance forgiving genres like MMOs and RTSs, PC gaming is not the way to go. Consoles are better for everything else, except for shooters, could be a toss up because there are advantages and disadvantages for both but console shooters are more convinient because you don't need a PC armed to the teeth to play them.
In the market that the console manufacturers target, PC is the minority. They just aren't the same market. Why do you think 360 exclusives also on the PC sell so well on 360?
Lastly, like I stated before, console gamers and pc gamers are two different factions. Two different gamers. The PC gamer will always purchase their games on the pc if there's a game available for both consoles and pc because pc gamers are mainly pc gamers and not console gamers. Console gamers are console gamers, they probably dont have a pc than can play the game and even if they do, they probably dont use their pc to play the same games they play on their consoles. The scenario where a gamer is choosing between a L4D pc copy and L4D 360 copy is very uncommon and very minor. The PC market barely eats into the console market.
BTW, any PC gamer (mainly if a fanboy) that has a console is hurting their argument and admitting the console convinience. Especially one with a 360...why the hell do you own one?? A console gamer buying a gaming PC is much more logical, that actually makes sense.
...I feel like I've been banging my head against a wall for a night and a day...i haven't the slightest idea why...
can someone take this pc vs. console battle up for me...my head seriously needs it.
dcIKeeL said:
20 million is about the number of gold subscribers alone right now. Did you not see E3? PSN has basically like 23 million and idk about the wii's weird online service. I'm pretty sure WoW is bested by all the pokemons on handhelds alone, but nothing is as monstrous as wii fit wii sports resort. Combined in only about 1.5 years (avg because when came out in under 1.5 years and one came out over 1.5 years) both these wii games have sold about 70 million copies. They all cost what $40-$50 bucks a copy? Do the math. All those WoW players don't neccesarily have a pc that can play games like the ones pc share with the 360. Don't throw some random number or your perception as a reply, the fact is that you can't prove that all MMO players have a pc capable of playing the latest games and we at least know that not all of them do. Alot of them even the ones that do have gaming PCs don't want to buy a game like L4D anyway, it's not their cup of tea. PC gaming isn;t impoertant, it's just near and dear to alot of peoples hearts because it was the center of gaming for years in the past. Alot of people just do it to keep it relevant and around. There were a few articles in the last 2 years about how PC gaming was dying and what could be done to save it. Analyst pointed out though that PC gaming will never truly die because of MMOs and RTSs which brings me to my next point. Activision Blizzard is primarily a MMO company. They make MMOs, thats their thing. Everyone knows that MMOs are huge on pc, they are synonymous with pc. That's because everyone has a computer and most of these people's computers are good enough performance wise to play an MMO such as WoW. The PC MMO market does not and CANNOT represent the PC HD gaming market with strong rigs that can handle games like halo and L4D and Crysis, etc. The PC HD gaming market is not nearly as huge. The fact is that aside from performance forgiving genres like MMOs and RTSs, PC gaming is not the way to go. Consoles are better for everything else, except for shooters, could be a toss up because there are advantages and disadvantages for both but console shooters are more convinient because you don't need a PC armed to the teeth to play them. In the market that the console manufacturers target, PC is the minority. They just aren't the same market. Why do you think 360 exclusives also on the PC sell so well on 360? Lastly, like I stated before, console gamers and pc gamers are two different factions. Two different gamers. The PC gamer will always purchase their games on the pc if there's a game available for both consoles and pc because pc gamers are mainly pc gamers and not console gamers. Console gamers are console gamers, they probably dont have a pc than can play the game and even if they do, they probably dont use their pc to play the same games they play on their consoles. The scenario where a gamer is choosing between a L4D pc copy and L4D 360 copy is very uncommon and very minor. The PC market barely eats into the console market. BTW, any PC gamer (mainly if a fanboy) that has a console is hurting their argument and admitting the console convinience. Especially one with a 360...why the hell do you own one?? A console gamer buying a gaming PC is much more logical, that actually makes sense. |
I have very few reservations against banning for blatant lies.
20 million is the TOTAL NUMBER of Xbox Live accounts, including silver accounts, double accounts, and PC accounts (I can actually log into my Windows Live account on my 360). The active number of Live Gold accounts is less than half that. PSN accounts are 25 million, that includes PSP accounts, forum accounts, dupe accounts for Japanese demoes, and PS3 accounts. I had a PSN account a full year before I even owned a PSP or PS3, and I logged into it on both systems as soon as I bought them without issue.
Activision Blizzard is primarily an MMO company? What the hell? They only have 1 MMO, World of Warcraft, and as I pointed out their financials show comparable profits on PC to 360 and PS3 even without it. In fact they specifically separate it from their financials.
PC gaming is hardly dying, it's simply moved into digital distribution well ahead of the curve. PC gaming in retail is dying. That's true, which is why services like Steam exist. You know The Orange Box sold in the double digit percentages more on Steam than on PS3 and 360 combined? Do you also know that because Steam charges no retail fees, profits per game sold for the publisher are up to 70% higher per unit sold than in retail.
Probably the reason your head hurts when trying to argue against PCs is you have no fucking clue what you are talking about.
Oh and the reason I own all gaming platforms is that I recognize every platform offers something unique that I can't get from the others. I also happen to have the money to do so, which of course is a factor for anyone. And for the record, if anyone looking to buy only one thing this generation asked me what to buy, I would recommend the 360 above everything else, including a gaming PC. It covers the most ground with its library. Its issue otherwise is that most of its great library is multiplat to PC or PS3 or both, and it doesn't have strong first or second party.
PS: The games I prefer to play on PC are RPGs, MMOs, Shooters, and RTS games. I also play some action-adventure and racing games by simply plugging my 360 controller into the USB port.
The latest numbers for Live put the Gold % at 56. And remember that you do not have to be Gold to purchase things. Gold is pretty much only for online play.
Valve takes a cut of DD sales just like MS and Sony do. Probably not as much, but they definitely get something out of the deal.
Do you have Steam sales numbers by any chance? I would like to know the amount of L4D copies that Valve sold for PC. Because they are currently sitting at 12,000 people playing L4D and I find that surprising.
naznatips said:
There is nothing in the world more profitable than WoW. Pokemon gamers don't pay $15 per month, whereas more than 11 million WoW gamers do (after already paying a minimum of $20 for the game, and if they got both expansions probably $60-$100 or more depending on the time of purchase). And bullshit it's a minority. There are more than 20 million active accounts on Steam alone, exceding XBL Gold accounts, PSN acounts, and online Wii consoles combined. And that's just one service. There are Half a dozen other popular services on PC including X-Fire, Battlenet, and impulse. Adding to that 20 million MMO players and the console online gaming market is a joke in comparison. This is even more ridiculous since we are talking about a list advertising Left 4 Dead 2, which will be well over twice as successful on PC with Steam. And it really doesn't matter what market you are talking about, PC gaming is hugely important. Activision Blizzard makes more money on PC game sales than Xbox 360 or PS3, even taking away World of Warcraft (Which btw counted for some 42% of the profit for the entire company). PopCap games has sold more than 200 million games, with Bejeweled alone (the original bejeweled) selling 25 million units. Even Nintendo can't sell that many games in 6 years.
PS: I'm much happier with the 360's lineup this year than I was last year actually. I'll be buying from that list are ODST, Splinter Cell, and The Ballad of Gay Tony (L4D2 on PC, Forza 3 maybe when it's $20 or less). That said, I'm still buying more PS3 and Wii games, and a lot more PC games when the year is considered as a whole. For the 2nd half of this year (from now through December) it's much closer, but for the year as a whole it's the system I'm buying the least for by far. Not that that bugs me much since I still have a lot of backcatalog to play through. |
I really doubt World of warcraft has made more profit in total then Pokémon. Let's just say in total about 190million pokemon games have been sold. Now of course I don't know how much profit Nintendo makes with each game sold, but let's just assume it's 20 dollars. That would be a total profit of 3720000000 dollars. That's not even including the pokemon cards(and we know those made a HUGE profit), anime, movies, dvds and the toys. But yeah, I made my sentence wrong anywayz, pokemon is the second most profitable franchise, that's what I was trying to say. WoW makes more profit then it yearly now, that's sadly true.
Perhaps one day world of warcraft will make more total profit in total, but I don't see WoW living living as long for some reason(Guess I just hate MMo's and find them boring, how can someone play something like that? =/)
Most players in WoW are probably gold farmers working in sweat shops which is illegal(is it illegal in Asia?). WoW has around 5.5 million Asian players, I'm pretty sure a big number of those are gold farmers... I'll have a big smile on my face the day goldfarmers are no longer in WoW. Because that will be the same day, the stock of Activision blizzard will go massivly down :) I'm afraid it will never happen though... But one can hope.
Anyway, there is only one MMORPG that can get as popular as WoW. And that is Pokémon when they decide to make that. IT WILL HAPPEN when handhelds get more powerful and go online easily to play mmo's like pokemon on it. An mmo like pokemon could easily get up to 30 million paying gamers a month after some years if not sooner if it's on handhelds. I still think the console/handheld market is far more profitable then the pc market even with WoW.
But thanks for the info, didn't know all that stuff :)
| JaggedSac said: ^^I am actually unimpressed by the amount of people that play games over Steam. Especially since it is the premier PC online service. |
It is also only 1 service. There are literally hundreds of DD services, hundreds of game sites, hundreds of MMOs, etc...
| Samus Aran said: I really doubt World of warcraft has made more profit in total then Pokémon. Let's just say in total about 190million pokemon games have been sold. Now of course I don't know how much profit Nintendo makes with each game sold, but let's just assume it's 20 dollars. That would be a total profit of 3720000000 dollars. That's not even including the pokemon cards(and we know those made a HUGE profit), anime, movies, dvds and the toys. But yeah, I made my sentence wrong anywayz, pokemon is the second most profitable franchise, that's what I was trying to say. WoW makes more profit then it yearly now, that's sadly true. |
If Pokemon made $3.7 billions, then World of Warcraft easily crushed Pokemon in profits. WoW made $1.2 billions in 2007 alone, not counting last year, which no doubt made even more than in 2007 with the Wrath of the Lich King selling 3.5 million copies in only 24 hours. Then there's years 2004, 2005 and 2006.
MMORPG's consists mostly out of gold farmers, bots,etc I know that because I used to play some popular mmo's... All you saw sometimes were gold farmers and bots.
If that's what you need to keep pc gaming alive, it's very sad indeed.
And shio pokemon made far more money then just the games, if you can't everything it will probably be doubled if not more. Pokemon cards sold like hotcakes back in the old days and they made pretty much pure profit on them. Let's also not forget the movies,etc
Let's also not forget how pokemon pretty much was the only reason why people bought a handheld. I only owned pokemon games for all my handhelds... So, did all my friends. Making the profit of the franchise far greater. Let's also not forget how time consuming an mmorpg is to make it and maintane it. Nintendo can make a lot more games then activision blizzard. Nintendo is the most profitable company in the gaming industry for a reason you know... And please don't act like WoW had 10 million members right from the start...
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