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shio on 10 July 2009
Samus Aran said:
But don't pc games come a lot later then xbox ones? Isn't that a reason alone why it's best to own an xbox instead of just your pc. You also need to keep upgrading your pc which is more expensive then buying an xbox360... If you own a ps3 then you don't need an xbox360, but if you own an xbox360 there is little to no reason to also own a ps3 unless you're a very hardcore gamer. Or you could just be rich or a big fanboy of some exclusive franchise on the console.

Why do you guys keep fighting over this? Just relax, all consoles have their ups and downs. Is that so hard to accept?

Very few PC games come later on PC than on Xbox 360. Infact there are probably more Xbox 360 games that come first on PC and later on Xbox 360. Which by your reasoning gives little reason to buy a console, and PC is the best if you want games faster.

goddog said:
MAFKKA said:
Its funny how PC is included in definition of 'Multiplatform', but excluded in 'Exclusive'. And how a game that is CONSOLE/PC is Cross-Platform, but not Multiplatform, when in fact Cross-Platform is a synonym of Multiplatform. Strange indeed!

Cognitive dissonance much?

hmm

 

maybe its just me but ive always considered the PC to be its own platfrom separate from consoles... much like handhelds to home consoles.

 

I mean home PC is where i play my all my stratagy games and well a few others. its not so much cognitive dissonance but trained separartion. since an early age pc gaming has never been equivalent of console gaming. therefore at least in my mind they are not the same.  I do not consider PC to be crossplatform or multiplatform with any console games

for me cross/multi means linux/windows/mac ect. for PC 

where cross/multi means ps3/xbox/wii home consoles

ds/psp on portables 

cellphone/smartphone (though smartphones are quickly growing into the protables and i dont know how to feel about that.... for now they are different)

The thing is, PC affects Console games sales. Both PC and Consoles are also closer in similarity than ever.

 

 



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ZenfoldorVGI on 10 July 2009

Every year it's been out has been the year of the 360, from a software perspective. Just look at metacritic, or games like Fallout 3, which become vastly better with DLC. Even if games like L4D and Gears of War are available on other consoles, ALL multiplatform games are available on the 360, usually in versions with superior content and graphics, to at least one of its main competitors.

...I mean hell, what year hasn't been the years of the Xbox 360, for gamers?

The problem is, only Xbox 360 owners know it.

It's hard as hell to find anyone who owns an Xbox 360 that is dissatisfied with the game selection. The Xbox 360's library is fantastic, and I don't think ANYONE in the world, would disagree with that. There is so much crap to play, even I can't keep up with it all.



I don't need your console war.
It feeds the rich while it buries the poor.
You're power hungry, spinnin' stories, and bein' graphics whores.
I don't need your console war.

NO NO, NO NO NO.

dcIKeeL on 10 July 2009

@shio

Where do you get the statistic of 300 million pc gamers...

Your perception and reality are worlds apart. WoW is not a game that demands high minumum requirements from your pc so it does not depict all the pc gamers that can actually seriously game on their pc. That actually goes for nearly all MMOs.

PC games are made to run on windows...hence the game for windows moniker...
You should also check out the Live anywhere initiative, MS has the most to do with your beloved PC and yes they do make money off of the pc, i'm trying to find the interview where a MS exec goes into detail of their pc gaming buisness.

Yes the games are cheaper but the hardware is not nearly as cheap and you have to constantly upgrade. If you're a serious gamer...you will feel the need to be up to date. Especially when games like crysis release.

What demographic is larger? casual, mainstream and core gamers vs. hardcore gamers?

The reason consoles were made were for convinience. To simplify the gaming experience and make it more accesible. Consoles are the only reason gaming has reached it's current popularity. It is not convinient for gamers to build or buy a gaming pc, at least not vs. simply buying a console. It is not convinient for gamers to have to upgrade their machine to play the latest cutting edge game on a seamless fluid level.

Why do you think MMOs are so huge on PC? MMOs are very hardcore games which basically every pc gamer is, so MMOs potentially appeal to all pc gamers. MMOs also require very minimal requirements so they tap into a wider install base. Gamers who don't really have a gaming PC can still play WoW with a regular PC.



ZenfoldorVGI on 10 July 2009

@shio

PC gaming isn't cheaper, that's a laugh.

I paid 1200 dollars for my rig.

I pay relative premium prices for content and games, just like on 360.

Difference is, I can't rent a PC game. I can't buy a used PC game.

I also buy my PC and console games off ebay. There is virtually no price difference.

Plus, I often have to upgrade things for my PC. I can pay 199 for a 360 and be set for 10 years. Don't even need to buy Gold to chat with my friends(which can be bought for about 30 dollars a year, now, btw).

For savvy consumers:

A. Games cost the same.
B. The platform costs much, much more for PC gaming.
C. You can't rent PC games.
D. Never have to upgrade a console.
E. Online is much cheaper than most people like to assume on the 360.

Sure, you can cut your price, buy a crap computer, and play HD games to some lesser extent...but you would still pay more for a gaming PC capable of playing the types of games that matter, and you sacrifice the used and rental market.

Calling it cheaper is just your pro PC spin, sir.



I don't need your console war.
It feeds the rich while it buries the poor.
You're power hungry, spinnin' stories, and bein' graphics whores.
I don't need your console war.

NO NO, NO NO NO.

ZenfoldorVGI on 10 July 2009
dcIKeeL said:
@shio

Where do you get the statistic of 300 million pc gamers...

Everyone who runs an OS is a PC gamer because they play mindsweeper. The number of PC HD capable gamers is far less.



I don't need your console war.
It feeds the rich while it buries the poor.
You're power hungry, spinnin' stories, and bein' graphics whores.
I don't need your console war.

NO NO, NO NO NO.

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dcIKeeL on 10 July 2009

PC HD gamers are the only pc gamers that matter.

Obviously those gamers is what shio was refering to. If he was including...mindsweeper I won't waste my time ever replying back, he'd make my case.



shio on 10 July 2009
dcIKeeL said:
@shio

Where do you get the statistic of 300 million pc gamers...

Your perception and reality are worlds apart. WoW is not a game that demands high minumum requirements from your pc so it does not depict all the pc gamers that can actually seriously game on their pc. That actually goes for nearly all MMOs.

PC games are made to run on windows...hence the game for windows moniker...
You should also check out the Live anywhere initiative, MS has the most to do with your beloved PC and yes they do make money off of the pc, i'm trying to find the interview where a MS exec goes into detail of their pc gaming buisness.

Yes the games are cheaper but the hardware is not nearly as cheap and you have to constantly upgrade. If you're a serious gamer...you will feel the need to be up to date. Especially when games like crysis release.

What demographic is larger? casual, mainstream and core gamers vs. hardcore gamers?

The reason consoles were made were for convinience. To simplify the gaming experience and make it more accesible. Consoles are the only reason gaming has reached it's current popularity. It is not convinient for gamers to build or buy a gaming pc, at least not vs. simply buying a console. It is not convinient for gamers to have to upgrade their machine to play the latest cutting edge game on a seamless fluid level.

Why do you think MMOs are so huge on PC? MMOs are very hardcore games which basically every pc gamer is, so MMOs potentially appeal to all pc gamers. MMOs also require very minimal requirements so they tap into a wider install base. Gamers who don't really have a gaming PC can still play WoW with a regular PC.

The 300 millions figure is from a study made by DFC Intelligence for PCGA.

Wait, are you telling me that unless you have a recent gaming PC they can't play seriously?! Dude, my brother plays seriously with his 6 years old PC several indie and online games. He played recently King's Bounty (Best SRPG of 2008), Zeno Clash, a bit of Mount& Blade and is currently busy with TF2 and Battlefield Heroes for online needs. How many games are you playing with your PS2/GC/Xbox today?

That's my point, PC gamers don't need to spend as much on PCs because the tech can now play games for a much more amount of time than ever before, which was not possible 15 years ago. And indie gaming is so huge on PC that a PC gamer can easily play for years just PC indie games because there are so many great indie PC games.

No doubt consoles were made for convenience. But what happens when PC keeps getting more and more accessible, while consoles are everytime more complicated? Because that is what is happening.

 



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shio on 10 July 2009
ZenfoldorVGI said:

@shio

PC gaming isn't cheaper, that's a laugh.

I paid 1200 dollars for my rig.

I pay relative premium prices for content and games, just like on 360.

Difference is, I can't rent a PC game. I can't buy a used PC game.

I also buy my PC and console games off ebay. There is virtually no price difference.

Plus, I often have to upgrade things for my PC. I can pay 199 for a 360 and be set for 10 years. Don't even need to buy Gold to chat with my friends(which can be bought for about 30 dollars a year, now, btw).

For savvy consumers:

A. Games cost the same.
B. The platform costs much, much more for PC gaming.
C. You can't rent PC games.
D. Never have to upgrade a console.
E. Online is much cheaper than most people like to assume on the 360.

Sure, you can cut your price, buy a crap computer, and play HD games to some lesser extent...but you would still pay more for a gaming PC capable of playing the types of games that matter, and you sacrifice the used and rental market.

Calling it cheaper is just your pro PC spin, sir.

Dude, PC games are infinitely cheaper than console games. They are released atleast $10 cheaper and drop price much faster, and there are far more PC games deals/promotions that rules, especially with the rise of Digital Distribution. For example, the 2K HUGE GAME PACK on Steam has 20 games on it and costs only $54:

BioShock
 Civilization IV
Civilization IV: Beyond the Sword
Civilization IV: Warlords
Civilization IV: Colonization
Civilization III Complete
 Sid Meier's Pirates!
Shattered Union
Prey
CivCity: Rome
Sid Meier's Railroads!
Railroad Tycoon 3
Railroad Tycoon II Platinum
X-COM: Terror From the Deep
X-COM: Apocalypse
X-COM: Interceptor
X-COM: UFO Defense
X-COM: Enforcer
 Freedom Force
Freedom Force vs. the Third Reich

http://store.steampowered.com/sub/1764/

For less than a full-priced console game you get 20 PC games, which includes Bioshock, Civilization IV + all expansions, the entire X-Com series, Freedom Force, Pirates, etc...

ZenfoldorVGI said:
dcIKeeL said:
@shio

Where do you get the statistic of 300 million pc gamers...

Everyone who runs an OS is a PC gamer because they play mindsweeper. The number of PC HD capable gamers is far less.

Well, DFC only estimated PC Online Players, that means only PC gamers that played online at some point(which should be pretty much all of them), so the minesweeper crowd only count if they played online also.

dcIKeeL said:
PC HD gamers are the only pc gamers that matter.

Obviously those gamers is what shio was refering to. If he was including...mindsweeper I won't waste my time ever replying back, he'd make my case.

I'm talking about PC gamers that give revenue to the industry, doesn't matter if they they have good or poor PCs for gaming. And dude, all PC gamers are HD gamers...

 



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dcIKeeL on 10 July 2009

@shio

I wonder how well L4D2 and splinter cell will run on your bros pc...

Hence, why games also being on pc don't really affect console sales.

Besides that, a pc gamer is really a pc gamer and if there is a game on a console and a pc they will always buy it on a pc. Almost the same can be said about console gamers. So really games also being on pc really just add to sales not steal away from console sales.

Console gamers and pc gamers are two different factions...they aren't the same gamers.



sguy78 on 10 July 2009

Halo 3: ODST looks like a refreshing experience.