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dunno001 said:

Well, since both sides love pulling in silly comparisons, let me pull them all together. This should end the cost arguments... :P (Prices in US$, all items bought from Amazon)

  PS3 360 Wii
System w/ HD or SD card $400 $300 $335*
Wireless adaptor $0 $77 $0
Online play $0 $45/yr $0
Backward compatibility $100 $0 $0
Blu-ray player $0 $180 $180
Out-of-warranty repairs $230 $100 $100
Extra controller (all parts) $43 $40 $74
Speech attachment $43 $20 $29
Motion sensing/control $32+** n/a** $0
HDTV (40" 1080P) $680 $680 $780***
TOTAL $1528 $1442 $1498

 

Right... so how can most people afford gaming, anyway? Maybe this is why sales for the "other" system are so bad , and why Wii is doomed?

*: 32 GB SD card included with price

**: PS3 Wand and 360 Natal prices not availiable, not yet released.

***: Upscaler purchased elsewhere (www.hdtvsupply.com), due to limited availiability

You forgot to include HD cables. Sony touted the PS3 as having "True HD" out of the box with its blu-ray, and they didn't include the HD cables.



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The Ps3 also has it's fair share of extra costs and peripherals. Here's a list of the things I've dished out cash for;

Hdmi cable - €50
Bluetooth Logitech headset - €35
Two extra controllers - €100
Bluetooth Logitech keyboard - €35
320GB SATA HDD - €60
Console repairs - €160



Always rational, 100% of the time! Isn't that one of economic's founding assumptions?

What are you doing in New Zealand? You should be at the University of Chicago with Robert Lucas. The ranks of the Rational Expectations and Efficient Market Hypothesis disciples have become rather thin in the last 2 years for some reason. :P

I don't see any negative or positive correlation relating to maths usage really, so perhaps the half of the world that buy Xbox 360s are foolish and the other half which buy PS3s are not? The Wii buyers are just kicking to a trend.

Before someone jumps down my throat, I'd like to emphasize that was not a serious statement.

However, I can't help but point out that your link definitely shows a correlation. Notice how Japan and various continental european countries tend consistently beat out the US, UK, and Australia?



Every gamer is in a different situation. Each gamer should look at what they want to do and make the best decision for themselves. Speculative and optional costs should not be factored into "everyone's" comparison.

Here is my situation:

I wanted 6 consoles, one for every TV I own. I have wired networking through my home, and I wanted a wireless headset, and online gameplay, with lots of hard drive space to buy lots of downloadable games and to add music/videos. So, here's my comparison:

XBox
1 Elite 360 = $399
5 Arcades = $199 x 5 (Don't need extra hard drives because one can be snapped onto any 360 by any brainless chump)
5 HDMI Cables = $20 x 5 (Arcade only comes with basic video)
1 Bluetooth headset = $70
1 XBox Live Subscription = $60
Total Cost = $1,624

PS3
6 PS3 160 Gb = $499 x 6 (Have to buy 160's requires disassembly to move from machine to machine)
1 Blue tooth headset = $50
Total Cost = $3,044

As you can see it is all about perspective and people can make the numbers say what they want when you factor in optional or speculative costs. It is clearly beneficial if you will have more then one console of the same type in your house to buy 360.

As for the article's speculation on RRoD failure.... I have 6 x 360's and have had two failures under warranty in both cases. I have two PS3's and each have failed twice. First under warranty and then afterwards off of warranty costing me $250 each to repair.



alephnull said:

Always rational, 100% of the time! Isn't that one of economic's founding assumptions?

What are you doing in New Zealand? You should be at the University of Chicago with Robert Lucas. The ranks of the Rational Expectations and Efficient Market Hypothesis disciples have become rather thin in the last 2 years for some reason. :P

I don't see any negative or positive correlation relating to maths usage really, so perhaps the half of the world that buy Xbox 360s are foolish and the other half which buy PS3s are not? The Wii buyers are just kicking to a trend.

Before someone jumps down my throat, I'd like to emphasize that was not a serious statement.

However, I can't help but point out that your link definitely shows a correlation. Notice how Japan and various continental european countries tend consistently beat out the US, UK, and Australia?

Maybe the people in countries with poor mathematics think for themselves more whilst the people who live in countries where they have a good standard for mathematics tend to play 'follow the leader' so therefore because they are more likely to follow trends they automatically get a PS3 without considering the alternatives? I don't know!

Anyway I don't think anyones mentioned rationality for a while, its in one of my text books. But its something I remember from highschool, my teacher was very keen to emphasise that point.



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@OP.

The big problem is how come I cant afford a PS3?

You say it's the cheapest console to game on on, and it isn't.

Arcade 360 is £129.99. Cheapest PS3 is £300. You assume everyone wants to be online and you assume everyone wants to be wireless.

Even If you buy the HDD 360, the PS3 does not break even till 1 and half years after owning 360 and Live and buying Wireless adapter. But then you fail to mention PSN is an inferior online system.

The problem is PS3 entry price is WAY to high. Therefore I cant afford it. They would have done better to bring the entry price down. But instead fail to see the benefit of that.



^ You forgot the huge quantity of cut price titles whilst a lot of the major PS3 titles are still full price.



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BMaker11 said:
I'll just repost what blazinghead89 said:

Buying a house straight up or mortgage?

In terms of what the OP is saying, instead of extrapolating onto everyone, I say that post ends the thread for everyone chewing out the OP

Isn't that a poor comparison seeing how rare it is for someone to purchase a house outright? People do not get paid 10-20 years of their salary in advance, which is why the mortgage is more attractive than saving for 20 years is. In that case it's similar to the PS3's situation on a larger scale. Also you're comparing a fixed payment plan on a house to optional accessories on a gaming console. Not exactly apples and apples.

To poke fun though, a PS3 in a 10 year mortgage with a 30% interest rate back in November 2006 would have cost you about $3.30 monthly. Fuck, I think I'd have taken it.



Tag: Became a freaking mod and a complete douche, coincidentally, at the same time.



NiKKoM said:
So this means that the more expensive 360 outsells a cheaper ps3 right? That's the point of this thread? right?

This is serious ownage...

On the other hand, the OP is oversimplifying the argument.  The PS3 is like a Mercedes: you can't get it for less than $400, but it comes fully loaded.  The 360 is like a GM car: you can choose the Chevy Geo at the low end for $200, if that suits your needs, or you can opt for the Cadillac by getting the Pro, a WiFi adapter, Xbox Live Gold, etc.  I won't argue that the add ons aren't too expensive, but for someone that has little money and is happy without the add ons or online play, the unit is half the cost of the cheapest PS3.  Also, how much does it cost to add the 360's backwards compatibility to a current PS3?  Oh, yeah... no amount of money can buy that.

I don't expect any of the PS3 fans to accept this argument... but at this point in time, I don't care.



billsalias said:
Vashyo said:

 

What is the point of the thread?

This is fairly simple, the total cost of ownership of a 360 is based on how you use it, the total cost of ownership of a PS3 is fixed. This means that comparing price must be done in a context, there is no absolute price for 360 to use and if you pick one you are comparing prices for only a subset of the market. In the absence of statistics on model and accesory breakdowns for the 360 we cannot compute a real average cost of ownership for the 360 so this entire concept of saying x is cheaper then y is pointless. If your goal is to educate people on the costs involved in owning an HD concole you are wasting your effort here because I would be shocked if 90 percent of the users here were not quite clear on the topic.

If this area really interests you then a better topic would be to compare the market strategy used by MS and Sony, namely increased user choice at higher per feature expense versus many integrated features with low per feature costs with a higher entry cost. This is actually a very interesting topic but we are not addressing it at all with this thread.

Off Topic: Why is it so hard for some people to accept that not everyone thinks and wants the same things they do? Just because you would not find it useful to own a 360 arcade without live and a wireless adapter it is arrogant and foolish to assume nobody does, especially in the face of current market data.

Best post in this entire thread.