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Slimebeast on 07 July 2009
MAFKKA said:
The more i see of this game the less i want it :( It first made me all excited but now it looks to much like a darker combined Quantum of Solace, Rainbow Six and Bourne game. All of which i personally dont feel to strong about. Though all ive seen is footage of the same old mansion with plenty of doors and windows.


Well, you never intended to pay for the game to begin with, so it's no disaster if they lose you as a "customer". ^^



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kiefer23 on 07 July 2009
selnor said:
guys there is an official thread for Splinter Cell Conviction here.

http://www.vgchartz.com/forum/thread.php?id=77211&start=-0

Lets keep the discussion in the same thread.


Because it's your thread?

I appreciate new topics because I only read whats on the front page. I don't go looking for old threads.



kiefer23 on 07 July 2009
Akvod said:
Zizzla_Rachet said:
Akvod said:

Yep, I bought Assassin's Creed, and GTA IV, and why? Because I trusted the reviewers and were absolutely betrayed by them. Are you arguing that Assassin's Creed is a good game to me, because many people bought it? Do you think that Pokemon is the best game? Wii Sports? I personally thought Assassin's Creed sucked, and there's nothing you can do to argue against it. You can't "disprove" that my opinions don't exist or anything, that's ridiculous.

And no, I'm not a Rainbow Six fan, I'm a Splinter Cell fan. If I want to play Rainbow Six, I'll buy Rainbow Six, not Splinter Cell.

And like I said, I'm going by what I'm seeing in the videos. That's the closest I can get before gameplay footage, and I'm only saying that I'm displeased with what I saw, and that I'm pessimistic, not that I know for a fact that the game is bad. I won't make a final judgement until I play it.

WOW....I don't know about AC..I only played the Demo....GTa IV was Solid!

Pokemon is a very Solid Breeding game.

Wii Sports is a Designated Killer app  (I don't know what the Bundle less sales are)

And All I said was that It's wierd that so many people Bought AC but one Person says it's sucks and now it's concrete evidence...Even went as far as saying that the Reviewers Lied...Again...Something said with "IMO" attached or Absent but implied is irrelavant....Your Opinion is meaningless in the overall scheme of things...

Well If you knew anything about Rainbow Six..you would know how great the taging system works and does not make it a "Win" button.

Who the Hell cares what your opinion of this game is..You don't even have a 360.."I can't wait until it's near the end of this gen, so I can play all the big games of this gen." Well you already said you had a PS3 and Acess to a Wii..So what is keeping you from playing the Big games now?...You don't mean Xbox 360 has games you want to play do you?

 

I think that it's obvious that I'm giving my personal opinion, there's no need to meticulously put IMO. Any rational person knows that whether a game sucks or not is subjective, and for anyone to think I was stating my opinions as objective facts is ridiculous. And what do you mean my opinion is meaningless in the overall scheme of things? You make it sound like there's something going on in the world or something, like some big fucking event is about to happen. What do you mean my opinion in meaningless? Because I'm a minority? Great, tell that to all the other minorities in the world. Is it because I'm giving an opinion about a game? Well then your opinions on this game is meaningless as well. Is it because you decided that everyone doesn't care about my opinions? You and others certainly cared enough to respond to me. And again, so fucking what, there's nothing wrong with me posting an opinion on a FORUM, even if you and everyone else doesn't care.

Honestly, I don't care if someone was going to calm down my worries about the trace and shoot, or reassure me that there'll be low health, but you and the other guy Zizzla are going way off topic, attacking me for giving a personal opinion, using name calling and word play (you're just being "whiney"), instead of adressing my points and staying on topic.

As for your last paragraph, I can't play all the games now, because I couldn't find a summer job yet and I'm going to be heading to college in a few months anyway. And of course there are games that I want to play on the 360, as much as I'm a fanboy for the PS3, that doesn't mean I'm going to be objective and fair when looking at a game for the 360 (a franchise that I played and loved last gen a LOT), and deny that the 360 is a gaming console that has games.

===============================

Now, please stop your ridiculous attacks on my ACT of criticizing, and why don't you get back on topic and adress my CRITICISMS. Jesus, you guys are fucking attacking my right to give my opinion right now.

Here, I'll outline my worries:

1. It seems Sam can take a shit load of health and be able to handle straight up combat (Which someone adressed already, by stating that there'll be an Hard mode where Sam can only take 2 shots)

2. I'm a bit dubious about the trace and shoot, as I think that it can allow players to breeze past most parts. (I myself said that I loved the possible stealth applications, like using the trace and shoot to target a light bulb)

3. Lack of gadgets, Sam doesn't even use the optical cable, but a shard of glass. I haven't played the PSP SC game, but if I my memorry is correct, doesn't he meet up with Grim? So maybe later in the game we'll get to see Sam wear his trade mark goggles?


Akvod, you do realise devs play with infinite health on during interviews and press showings so they don't fuck up and embarrass themselves.

1.Its pretty much Guaranteed you will be able to take more shots then previous games on easier difficulities but thats for newbies to to the genre/series or casuals. You want it to be a more hardcore experience like the old Splinter Cells where you die alot easier, then play it on one of the harder difficulities.

2. I'm sure the trace and shoot will be nerfed on the harder difficulties, if you didn't already notice sam tends to miss.

3. If you haven't realised yet Sam quit the organisation and the very own people you used to work for are now hunting Sam down. Of course your not going to have all the fucking high tec gadgets they used to provide you with before missions. The whole part of this game is you're on your OWN. You need to optimise and think outside the box like using a shard of glass from your SUV to see under doors.

 I don't see what your problem is.

 



MAFKKA on 07 July 2009
Slimebeast said:
MAFKKA said:
The more i see of this game the less i want it :( It first made me all excited but now it looks to much like a darker combined Quantum of Solace, Rainbow Six and Bourne game. All of which i personally dont feel to strong about. Though all ive seen is footage of the same old mansion with plenty of doors and windows.


Well, you never intended to pay for the game to begin with, so it's no disaster if they lose you as a "customer". ^^


Well i'd be pretty stupid to buy a game for a console i dont have, so its not like they had me to lose to begin with. But im still entitled to post how i view the game without actually being able to buy the damn thing. Its not like my opinion would've been any different just because i'd have the means to buy it.

A strong library will eventually convince me to go for an Elite, but imo its not quite there yet. And this title, if done good, would've (and still can, 'cus as i said ive only seen the mansion gameplay vids) contributed alot since the Spliter Cell games are classic from last gen.



Slimebeast on 07 July 2009
MAFKKA said:
Slimebeast said:
MAFKKA said:
The more i see of this game the less i want it :( It first made me all excited but now it looks to much like a darker combined Quantum of Solace, Rainbow Six and Bourne game. All of which i personally dont feel to strong about. Though all ive seen is footage of the same old mansion with plenty of doors and windows.


Well, you never intended to pay for the game to begin with, so it's no disaster if they lose you as a "customer". ^^


Well i'd be pretty stupid to buy a game for a console i dont have, so its not like they had me to lose to begin with. But im still entitled to post how i view the game without actually being able to buy the damn thing. Its not like my opinion would've been any different just because i'd have the means to buy it.

A strong library will eventually convince me to go for an Elite, but imo its not quite there yet. And this title, if done good, would've (and still can, 'cus as i said ive only seen the mansion gameplay vids) contributed alot since the Spliter Cell games are classic from last gen.


LOL! You just proved (unintentionally) how natural it is for you to download games that have a PC version.

Hint: people can actually pay for PC games too lol, even if it's very unusual.



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Akvod on 07 July 2009
kiefer23 said:
Akvod said:
Zizzla_Rachet said:
Akvod said:

Yep, I bought Assassin's Creed, and GTA IV, and why? Because I trusted the reviewers and were absolutely betrayed by them. Are you arguing that Assassin's Creed is a good game to me, because many people bought it? Do you think that Pokemon is the best game? Wii Sports? I personally thought Assassin's Creed sucked, and there's nothing you can do to argue against it. You can't "disprove" that my opinions don't exist or anything, that's ridiculous.

And no, I'm not a Rainbow Six fan, I'm a Splinter Cell fan. If I want to play Rainbow Six, I'll buy Rainbow Six, not Splinter Cell.

And like I said, I'm going by what I'm seeing in the videos. That's the closest I can get before gameplay footage, and I'm only saying that I'm displeased with what I saw, and that I'm pessimistic, not that I know for a fact that the game is bad. I won't make a final judgement until I play it.

WOW....I don't know about AC..I only played the Demo....GTa IV was Solid!

Pokemon is a very Solid Breeding game.

Wii Sports is a Designated Killer app  (I don't know what the Bundle less sales are)

And All I said was that It's wierd that so many people Bought AC but one Person says it's sucks and now it's concrete evidence...Even went as far as saying that the Reviewers Lied...Again...Something said with "IMO" attached or Absent but implied is irrelavant....Your Opinion is meaningless in the overall scheme of things...

Well If you knew anything about Rainbow Six..you would know how great the taging system works and does not make it a "Win" button.

Who the Hell cares what your opinion of this game is..You don't even have a 360.."I can't wait until it's near the end of this gen, so I can play all the big games of this gen." Well you already said you had a PS3 and Acess to a Wii..So what is keeping you from playing the Big games now?...You don't mean Xbox 360 has games you want to play do you?

 

I think that it's obvious that I'm giving my personal opinion, there's no need to meticulously put IMO. Any rational person knows that whether a game sucks or not is subjective, and for anyone to think I was stating my opinions as objective facts is ridiculous. And what do you mean my opinion is meaningless in the overall scheme of things? You make it sound like there's something going on in the world or something, like some big fucking event is about to happen. What do you mean my opinion in meaningless? Because I'm a minority? Great, tell that to all the other minorities in the world. Is it because I'm giving an opinion about a game? Well then your opinions on this game is meaningless as well. Is it because you decided that everyone doesn't care about my opinions? You and others certainly cared enough to respond to me. And again, so fucking what, there's nothing wrong with me posting an opinion on a FORUM, even if you and everyone else doesn't care.

Honestly, I don't care if someone was going to calm down my worries about the trace and shoot, or reassure me that there'll be low health, but you and the other guy Zizzla are going way off topic, attacking me for giving a personal opinion, using name calling and word play (you're just being "whiney"), instead of adressing my points and staying on topic.

As for your last paragraph, I can't play all the games now, because I couldn't find a summer job yet and I'm going to be heading to college in a few months anyway. And of course there are games that I want to play on the 360, as much as I'm a fanboy for the PS3, that doesn't mean I'm going to be objective and fair when looking at a game for the 360 (a franchise that I played and loved last gen a LOT), and deny that the 360 is a gaming console that has games.

===============================

Now, please stop your ridiculous attacks on my ACT of criticizing, and why don't you get back on topic and adress my CRITICISMS. Jesus, you guys are fucking attacking my right to give my opinion right now.

Here, I'll outline my worries:

1. It seems Sam can take a shit load of health and be able to handle straight up combat (Which someone adressed already, by stating that there'll be an Hard mode where Sam can only take 2 shots)

2. I'm a bit dubious about the trace and shoot, as I think that it can allow players to breeze past most parts. (I myself said that I loved the possible stealth applications, like using the trace and shoot to target a light bulb)

3. Lack of gadgets, Sam doesn't even use the optical cable, but a shard of glass. I haven't played the PSP SC game, but if I my memorry is correct, doesn't he meet up with Grim? So maybe later in the game we'll get to see Sam wear his trade mark goggles?


Akvod, you do realise devs play with infinite health on during interviews and press showings so they don't fuck up and embarrass themselves.

1.Its pretty much Guaranteed you will be able to take more shots then previous games on easier difficulities but thats for newbies to to the genre/series or casuals. You want it to be a more hardcore experience like the old Splinter Cells where you die alot easier, then play it on one of the harder difficulities.

2. I'm sure the trace and shoot will be nerfed on the harder difficulties, if you didn't already notice sam tends to miss.

3. If you haven't realised yet Sam quit the organisation and the very own people you used to work for are now hunting Sam down. Of course your not going to have all the fucking high tec gadgets they used to provide you with before missions. The whole part of this game is you're on your OWN. You need to optimise and think outside the box like using a shard of glass from your SUV to see under doors.

 I don't see what your problem is.

 

But will it be that hard for Sam to acquire a basic pair of night vision goggles, even if he doesn't have Thermal and the EMV(?). I don't think Sam is absolutely broke, as it seems that from the small preview clips that he seems to be living a normal life somewhere (Sicily)? Although I haven't played the PSP SC game, and didn't even finish the current gen DA (I beat the last gen DA, and watched the current gen DA movies. I wished they made Enrica like the last gen DA rather than the current gen. The love relationship was a bad idea).

But, again, this is my personal preference. In fact, the ultimate goal is to eventually get through a level without using any gadgets, so it's not that huge of an issue. I just wished, IMHO, that Sam wouldn't be so ghetto. I think that in the PSP game he meets up with Grim (I can't spell her name, lol. It always sounded like Grims-Daughter), and Michael(?). I hope we get to see... fuck, forgetting her name, the lady that replaced the original supplier in the first game. It'll be nice to see all the old characters, still in the government, help out Sam.

As for the infininte health, thanks for pointing that out, I haven't thought about it at all. But I don't think they'll show gameplay that'll be absolutely impossible though (again, like Sam just barging straight through a door). But, hopefully you're right. The Chaos Theory trailers always showed a lot of action sequences, so maybe they're doing the same here.

I did notice once that Sam missed with trace and shoot. Is it going to work like GTA autoaiming?

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I already laid out my problems pages ago. I don't see what everyone's problem was with me giving my personal insight, just as you've done for me. See what happened, when you politely responded to me? I learned something, and gave my personal comments, and hopefully you'll learn something from my opinion as well. Discussion is always beneficial. It's never beneficial or healthy in a community to be hostile to one another, just because someone gave a differing opinion.

I'm a bit more relaxed thanks to you. Hopefully they're just in the initial stages of the hype and showing mostly action to cater to that crowd.

PS:

I really don't know how to respond to the "kindergarten" comments from Slimebeast and the other poster. I'm sure my profile states that I'm 18 right now. I remember playing the first SC game in around 2002-3ish? So I was around 12-14 around then? I remember buying the crappy paper back book that was written by that ghost writer during that time, lol. I remember really sucking at the first Splinter Cell, but I was so hooked into the gameplay that I bought the strategy guide and slowly learned the basic concepts and strategies. After that I managed to beat Pandora Tomorrow (which was OK), and then I absolutely loved Chaos Theory. Then there was a few years of just not playing any games when I didn't have a next gen system, but during that time I played Double Agent on my PS2. I was always pissed that the PS2 version of the game was so gimped down (loading constantly, spliced levels, and reduced graphics), and I was really considering a Xbox (I wanted to play KOTOR and Jade Empire badly), but I thought it was too late since it was already the end of the generation.

When I finally got a PS3 and bought Double Agent, I was absolutely fucking dissapointed. The story was absolute shit. The glitches and bugs for the PS3 version was just frusturating (I'm trying to climb up from a balcony and sneak up on a guy, and I just keep stutering as I'm doing so). What I wanted after playing the current gen DA was a step BACK, and I'm just dubious, after how Ubisoft butchered DA (although that was Shanghai's fault), and the series of dissapointing games I played and heard about, and seeing gameplay that only continues to move away from the original 3 Splinter Cells.

But, I'm going to be a bit more optimistic now, thanks to kiefer.



MAFKKA on 07 July 2009

You lost me? I download games, yes. Ive bought PC games, yes. I dont get it? Didnt realize this game had a simultaneous PC release, thought this was an exclusive. Oh well, then this game will be downloaded.



Slimebeast on 07 July 2009
Akvod said:
kiefer23 said:
Akvod said:
Zizzla_Rachet said:
Akvod said:

Yep, I bought Assassin's Creed, and GTA IV, and why? Because I trusted the reviewers and were absolutely betrayed by them. Are you arguing that Assassin's Creed is a good game to me, because many people bought it? Do you think that Pokemon is the best game? Wii Sports? I personally thought Assassin's Creed sucked, and there's nothing you can do to argue against it. You can't "disprove" that my opinions don't exist or anything, that's ridiculous.

And no, I'm not a Rainbow Six fan, I'm a Splinter Cell fan. If I want to play Rainbow Six, I'll buy Rainbow Six, not Splinter Cell.

And like I said, I'm going by what I'm seeing in the videos. That's the closest I can get before gameplay footage, and I'm only saying that I'm displeased with what I saw, and that I'm pessimistic, not that I know for a fact that the game is bad. I won't make a final judgement until I play it.

WOW....I don't know about AC..I only played the Demo....GTa IV was Solid!

Pokemon is a very Solid Breeding game.

Wii Sports is a Designated Killer app  (I don't know what the Bundle less sales are)

And All I said was that It's wierd that so many people Bought AC but one Person says it's sucks and now it's concrete evidence...Even went as far as saying that the Reviewers Lied...Again...Something said with "IMO" attached or Absent but implied is irrelavant....Your Opinion is meaningless in the overall scheme of things...

Well If you knew anything about Rainbow Six..you would know how great the taging system works and does not make it a "Win" button.

Who the Hell cares what your opinion of this game is..You don't even have a 360.."I can't wait until it's near the end of this gen, so I can play all the big games of this gen." Well you already said you had a PS3 and Acess to a Wii..So what is keeping you from playing the Big games now?...You don't mean Xbox 360 has games you want to play do you?

 

I think that it's obvious that I'm giving my personal opinion, there's no need to meticulously put IMO. Any rational person knows that whether a game sucks or not is subjective, and for anyone to think I was stating my opinions as objective facts is ridiculous. And what do you mean my opinion is meaningless in the overall scheme of things? You make it sound like there's something going on in the world or something, like some big fucking event is about to happen. What do you mean my opinion in meaningless? Because I'm a minority? Great, tell that to all the other minorities in the world. Is it because I'm giving an opinion about a game? Well then your opinions on this game is meaningless as well. Is it because you decided that everyone doesn't care about my opinions? You and others certainly cared enough to respond to me. And again, so fucking what, there's nothing wrong with me posting an opinion on a FORUM, even if you and everyone else doesn't care.

Honestly, I don't care if someone was going to calm down my worries about the trace and shoot, or reassure me that there'll be low health, but you and the other guy Zizzla are going way off topic, attacking me for giving a personal opinion, using name calling and word play (you're just being "whiney"), instead of adressing my points and staying on topic.

As for your last paragraph, I can't play all the games now, because I couldn't find a summer job yet and I'm going to be heading to college in a few months anyway. And of course there are games that I want to play on the 360, as much as I'm a fanboy for the PS3, that doesn't mean I'm going to be objective and fair when looking at a game for the 360 (a franchise that I played and loved last gen a LOT), and deny that the 360 is a gaming console that has games.

===============================

Now, please stop your ridiculous attacks on my ACT of criticizing, and why don't you get back on topic and adress my CRITICISMS. Jesus, you guys are fucking attacking my right to give my opinion right now.

Here, I'll outline my worries:

1. It seems Sam can take a shit load of health and be able to handle straight up combat (Which someone adressed already, by stating that there'll be an Hard mode where Sam can only take 2 shots)

2. I'm a bit dubious about the trace and shoot, as I think that it can allow players to breeze past most parts. (I myself said that I loved the possible stealth applications, like using the trace and shoot to target a light bulb)

3. Lack of gadgets, Sam doesn't even use the optical cable, but a shard of glass. I haven't played the PSP SC game, but if I my memorry is correct, doesn't he meet up with Grim? So maybe later in the game we'll get to see Sam wear his trade mark goggles?


Akvod, you do realise devs play with infinite health on during interviews and press showings so they don't fuck up and embarrass themselves.

1.Its pretty much Guaranteed you will be able to take more shots then previous games on easier difficulities but thats for newbies to to the genre/series or casuals. You want it to be a more hardcore experience like the old Splinter Cells where you die alot easier, then play it on one of the harder difficulities.

2. I'm sure the trace and shoot will be nerfed on the harder difficulties, if you didn't already notice sam tends to miss.

3. If you haven't realised yet Sam quit the organisation and the very own people you used to work for are now hunting Sam down. Of course your not going to have all the fucking high tec gadgets they used to provide you with before missions. The whole part of this game is you're on your OWN. You need to optimise and think outside the box like using a shard of glass from your SUV to see under doors.

 I don't see what your problem is.

 

But will it be that hard for Sam to acquire a basic pair of night vision goggles, even if he doesn't have Thermal and the EMV(?). I don't think Sam is absolutely broke, as it seems that from the small preview clips that he seems to be living a normal life somewhere (Sicily)? Although I haven't played the PSP SC game, and didn't even finish the current gen DA (I beat the last gen DA, and watched the current gen DA movies. I wished they made Enrica like the last gen DA rather than the current gen. The love relationship was a bad idea).

But, again, this is my personal preference. In fact, the ultimate goal is to eventually get through a level without using any gadgets, so it's not that huge of an issue. I just wished, IMHO, that Sam wouldn't be so ghetto. I think that in the PSP game he meets up with Grim (I can't spell her name, lol. It always sounded like Grims-Daughter), and Michael(?). I hope we get to see... fuck, forgetting her name, the lady that replaced the original supplier in the first game. It'll be nice to see all the old characters, still in the government, help out Sam.

As for the infininte health, thanks for pointing that out, I haven't thought about it at all. But I don't think they'll show gameplay that'll be absolutely impossible though (again, like Sam just barging straight through a door). But, hopefully you're right. The Chaos Theory trailers always showed a lot of action sequences, so maybe they're doing the same here.

I did notice once that Sam missed with trace and shoot. Is it going to work like GTA autoaiming?

--------------------------------

I already laid out my problems pages ago. I don't see what everyone's problem was with me giving my personal insight, just as you've done for me. See what happened, when you politely responded to me? I learned something, and gave my personal comments, and hopefully you'll learn something from my opinion as well. Discussion is always beneficial. It's never beneficial or healthy in a community to be hostile to one another, just because someone gave a differing opinion.

I'm a bit more relaxed thanks to you. Hopefully they're just in the initial stages of the hype and showing mostly action to cater to that crowd.

PS:

I really don't know how to respond to the "kindergarten" comments from Slimebeast and the other poster. I'm sure my profile states that I'm 18 right now. I remember playing the first SC game in around 2002-3ish? So I was around 12-14 around then? I remember buying the crappy paper back book that was written by that ghost writer during that time, lol. I remember really sucking at the first Splinter Cell, but I was so hooked into the gameplay that I bought the strategy guide and slowly learned the basic concepts and strategies. After that I managed to beat Pandora Tomorrow (which was OK), and then I absolutely loved Chaos Theory. Then there was a few years of just not playing any games when I didn't have a next gen system, but during that time I played Double Agent on my PS2. I was always pissed that the PS2 version of the game was so gimped down (loading constantly, spliced levels, and reduced graphics), and I was really considering a Xbox (I wanted to play KOTOR and Jade Empire badly), but I thought it was too late since it was already the end of the generation.

When I finally got a PS3 and bought Double Agent, I was absolutely fucking dissapointed. The story was absolute shit. The glitches and bugs for the PS3 version was just frusturating (I'm trying to climb up from a balcony and sneak up on a guy, and I just keep stutering as I'm doing so). What I wanted after playing the current gen DA was a step BACK, and I'm just dubious, after how Ubisoft butchered DA (although that was Shanghai's fault), and the series of dissapointing games I played and heard about, and seeing gameplay that only continues to move away from the original 3 Splinter Cells.

But, I'm going to be a bit more optimistic now, thanks to kiefer.

...and thanks to me! It was thanks to me that kiefer edited the last bit of his last post to you and deleted something that would have made you very upset lol.
(and you will never know what it was he wrote ^^)


Btw, I remembered u as 16, not 18, sorry.



Slimebeast on 07 July 2009

@Akvod,

And I was just joking about kindergarten anyway, and also I remember very well from our last SC discussion that you are a true 'light-shadow stealth' fan, and I agreed that Ubisoft shouldnt betray the original SC fans etc. So, I wasnt serious, just teasing with u a lil.

@MAFFKA

Well that makes sense. And now u got it too, by learning that SC Conviction is for PC too, in fact as a simultaneous launch.



Akvod on 07 July 2009
Slimebeast said:
Akvod said:
kiefer23 said:
Akvod said:
Zizzla_Rachet said:
Akvod said:

Yep, I bought Assassin's Creed, and GTA IV, and why? Because I trusted the reviewers and were absolutely betrayed by them. Are you arguing that Assassin's Creed is a good game to me, because many people bought it? Do you think that Pokemon is the best game? Wii Sports? I personally thought Assassin's Creed sucked, and there's nothing you can do to argue against it. You can't "disprove" that my opinions don't exist or anything, that's ridiculous.

And no, I'm not a Rainbow Six fan, I'm a Splinter Cell fan. If I want to play Rainbow Six, I'll buy Rainbow Six, not Splinter Cell.

And like I said, I'm going by what I'm seeing in the videos. That's the closest I can get before gameplay footage, and I'm only saying that I'm displeased with what I saw, and that I'm pessimistic, not that I know for a fact that the game is bad. I won't make a final judgement until I play it.

WOW....I don't know about AC..I only played the Demo....GTa IV was Solid!

Pokemon is a very Solid Breeding game.

Wii Sports is a Designated Killer app  (I don't know what the Bundle less sales are)

And All I said was that It's wierd that so many people Bought AC but one Person says it's sucks and now it's concrete evidence...Even went as far as saying that the Reviewers Lied...Again...Something said with "IMO" attached or Absent but implied is irrelavant....Your Opinion is meaningless in the overall scheme of things...

Well If you knew anything about Rainbow Six..you would know how great the taging system works and does not make it a "Win" button.

Who the Hell cares what your opinion of this game is..You don't even have a 360.."I can't wait until it's near the end of this gen, so I can play all the big games of this gen." Well you already said you had a PS3 and Acess to a Wii..So what is keeping you from playing the Big games now?...You don't mean Xbox 360 has games you want to play do you?

 

I think that it's obvious that I'm giving my personal opinion, there's no need to meticulously put IMO. Any rational person knows that whether a game sucks or not is subjective, and for anyone to think I was stating my opinions as objective facts is ridiculous. And what do you mean my opinion is meaningless in the overall scheme of things? You make it sound like there's something going on in the world or something, like some big fucking event is about to happen. What do you mean my opinion in meaningless? Because I'm a minority? Great, tell that to all the other minorities in the world. Is it because I'm giving an opinion about a game? Well then your opinions on this game is meaningless as well. Is it because you decided that everyone doesn't care about my opinions? You and others certainly cared enough to respond to me. And again, so fucking what, there's nothing wrong with me posting an opinion on a FORUM, even if you and everyone else doesn't care.

Honestly, I don't care if someone was going to calm down my worries about the trace and shoot, or reassure me that there'll be low health, but you and the other guy Zizzla are going way off topic, attacking me for giving a personal opinion, using name calling and word play (you're just being "whiney"), instead of adressing my points and staying on topic.

As for your last paragraph, I can't play all the games now, because I couldn't find a summer job yet and I'm going to be heading to college in a few months anyway. And of course there are games that I want to play on the 360, as much as I'm a fanboy for the PS3, that doesn't mean I'm going to be objective and fair when looking at a game for the 360 (a franchise that I played and loved last gen a LOT), and deny that the 360 is a gaming console that has games.

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Now, please stop your ridiculous attacks on my ACT of criticizing, and why don't you get back on topic and adress my CRITICISMS. Jesus, you guys are fucking attacking my right to give my opinion right now.

Here, I'll outline my worries:

1. It seems Sam can take a shit load of health and be able to handle straight up combat (Which someone adressed already, by stating that there'll be an Hard mode where Sam can only take 2 shots)

2. I'm a bit dubious about the trace and shoot, as I think that it can allow players to breeze past most parts. (I myself said that I loved the possible stealth applications, like using the trace and shoot to target a light bulb)

3. Lack of gadgets, Sam doesn't even use the optical cable, but a shard of glass. I haven't played the PSP SC game, but if I my memorry is correct, doesn't he meet up with Grim? So maybe later in the game we'll get to see Sam wear his trade mark goggles?


Akvod, you do realise devs play with infinite health on during interviews and press showings so they don't fuck up and embarrass themselves.

1.Its pretty much Guaranteed you will be able to take more shots then previous games on easier difficulities but thats for newbies to to the genre/series or casuals. You want it to be a more hardcore experience like the old Splinter Cells where you die alot easier, then play it on one of the harder difficulities.

2. I'm sure the trace and shoot will be nerfed on the harder difficulties, if you didn't already notice sam tends to miss.

3. If you haven't realised yet Sam quit the organisation and the very own people you used to work for are now hunting Sam down. Of course your not going to have all the fucking high tec gadgets they used to provide you with before missions. The whole part of this game is you're on your OWN. You need to optimise and think outside the box like using a shard of glass from your SUV to see under doors.

 I don't see what your problem is.

 

But will it be that hard for Sam to acquire a basic pair of night vision goggles, even if he doesn't have Thermal and the EMV(?). I don't think Sam is absolutely broke, as it seems that from the small preview clips that he seems to be living a normal life somewhere (Sicily)? Although I haven't played the PSP SC game, and didn't even finish the current gen DA (I beat the last gen DA, and watched the current gen DA movies. I wished they made Enrica like the last gen DA rather than the current gen. The love relationship was a bad idea).

But, again, this is my personal preference. In fact, the ultimate goal is to eventually get through a level without using any gadgets, so it's not that huge of an issue. I just wished, IMHO, that Sam wouldn't be so ghetto. I think that in the PSP game he meets up with Grim (I can't spell her name, lol. It always sounded like Grims-Daughter), and Michael(?). I hope we get to see... fuck, forgetting her name, the lady that replaced the original supplier in the first game. It'll be nice to see all the old characters, still in the government, help out Sam.

As for the infininte health, thanks for pointing that out, I haven't thought about it at all. But I don't think they'll show gameplay that'll be absolutely impossible though (again, like Sam just barging straight through a door). But, hopefully you're right. The Chaos Theory trailers always showed a lot of action sequences, so maybe they're doing the same here.

I did notice once that Sam missed with trace and shoot. Is it going to work like GTA autoaiming?

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I already laid out my problems pages ago. I don't see what everyone's problem was with me giving my personal insight, just as you've done for me. See what happened, when you politely responded to me? I learned something, and gave my personal comments, and hopefully you'll learn something from my opinion as well. Discussion is always beneficial. It's never beneficial or healthy in a community to be hostile to one another, just because someone gave a differing opinion.

I'm a bit more relaxed thanks to you. Hopefully they're just in the initial stages of the hype and showing mostly action to cater to that crowd.

PS:

I really don't know how to respond to the "kindergarten" comments from Slimebeast and the other poster. I'm sure my profile states that I'm 18 right now. I remember playing the first SC game in around 2002-3ish? So I was around 12-14 around then? I remember buying the crappy paper back book that was written by that ghost writer during that time, lol. I remember really sucking at the first Splinter Cell, but I was so hooked into the gameplay that I bought the strategy guide and slowly learned the basic concepts and strategies. After that I managed to beat Pandora Tomorrow (which was OK), and then I absolutely loved Chaos Theory. Then there was a few years of just not playing any games when I didn't have a next gen system, but during that time I played Double Agent on my PS2. I was always pissed that the PS2 version of the game was so gimped down (loading constantly, spliced levels, and reduced graphics), and I was really considering a Xbox (I wanted to play KOTOR and Jade Empire badly), but I thought it was too late since it was already the end of the generation.

When I finally got a PS3 and bought Double Agent, I was absolutely fucking dissapointed. The story was absolute shit. The glitches and bugs for the PS3 version was just frusturating (I'm trying to climb up from a balcony and sneak up on a guy, and I just keep stutering as I'm doing so). What I wanted after playing the current gen DA was a step BACK, and I'm just dubious, after how Ubisoft butchered DA (although that was Shanghai's fault), and the series of dissapointing games I played and heard about, and seeing gameplay that only continues to move away from the original 3 Splinter Cells.

But, I'm going to be a bit more optimistic now, thanks to kiefer.

...and thanks to me! It was thanks to me that kiefer edited the last bit of his last post to you and deleted something that would have made you very upset lol.
(and you will never know what it was he wrote ^^)


Btw, I remembered u as 16, not 18, sorry.

It's ok, thanks for the apology. I'm still kinda mad at you and the other poster for being so hostile for me, but I understand how it must seem when a PS3 fan/owner comes to a 360 thread. But trust me, I looked at this as objectively as possible, and I'm only this pessimistic because I'm really not so trust worthy of Ubisoft right now, after playing DA on the current gen, and seeing the atrocious 2007 gameplay for Conviction, and now this. Adding to that were Assassin's Creed, made by Montreal(?), and Far Cry 2.

But, after getting more info from you guys, I'm a bit more reassured. Hopefully the next time we all post, we'll get along better and be able to discuss about the topic on hand, and not my age or how my opinion is meaningless.