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The problem with these statements is dedicated hoaxers are very adept at their diabolical art. They know enough about their subject to sound authentic, and yet are sly enough to evade detection. Unlike your standard blow hard or a meager troll. They play the game at an entirely different level, and sometimes the complexity would baffle the most dedicated scrounger. Often sending the investigator off chasing phantoms. Further more once their shenanigans are finally exposed they have moved on leaving a wake of destruction, as the house they built tumbles down on the true believers.

Unfortunately you might be doing exactly what the hoaxer wants your acting as their agent. One hoaxer can generate so much detritus that their lies have a way of colliding with each other from multiple sources resulting in what appears to be supporting evidence. For example the same guy can start similar stories on a handful of different sites at slightly different times.

The posters on those sites take the material the hoaxer has laid on them to other sites. Where even more people collect reinforce and then spread to even more sites. Eventually five accounts blossom in hundreds if not thousands of accounts. The carriers often embellishing the tale as their trusted source. The result is one very witty hoaxer has built an entire rumor mill out of five posts with no real validation of their account.

Yes its a very simple for a lie to take on a life of its own. Like a virus it mutates, and infects every poster it touches. Eventually when enough people read it enough times sometimes it can even become accepted truth. The worst of these hoaxes rely on actual distrust of the reputable sources. Even if Sony wanted desperately to put down these rumors. Their record when it comes to honesty is pathetic. Nobody will believe them since they have lied so often in the past. Meanwhile the hoaxer gets a clean slate with whatever new persona they adopt.

The worst thing you can do is ask the question is this guy legit. Unless they are utterly incompetent a hoaxer is near impossible to expose, and that is the only way to answer your question. Fellow posters will label the source as a maybe. Well have you ever told a child maybe. To a child that is a weak yes. In adults it is a suppressed yes. So in their minds the original poster gains a small margin of credibility, and that is what the house of cards is built upon.

Now if your seriously interested in the subject citing a poster on another forum. Which by the way is a way to defer responsibility, and add credibility to yourself. Well thats not the way to do it. The best way is to post the basics of the post into a rephrased question. Say do you think this kind of price reduction would be conceivable.

There are ways to uncloak hoaxers, but that is an art in and of itself. Involving numerous tactics, and a great degree of psychological understanding of their pathological psychosis. They often do it for the thrill, the sense of power, or even for a degree of revenge. In that sense they can be manipulated against themselves. However instead of devoting yourself to doing such things its better not to spread rumors, and more importantly to not dwell too deeply on them. When you focus on something or spread it. You become intricately involved. That just makes you an agent, and not an interested observer.

Your asking a question nobody can answer, and perhaps giving a con artist a free boost. Which accomplishes nothing, and worse might obscure the truth. Hoaxers will spread dozens of lies praying to hit one right. Once that happens they move to the big leagues. Becoming almost like a prophet. They have no reputation to protect, and can get a lot of mileage out of a good guess.



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Dodece...you seem to understand well the pathology of said hoaxer...are there perhaps a few crumbling houses left in your wake?



W29 said:
Dolla Dolla said:
Why'd you get banned, friend? Get a little kooky during E3?

It happened around here, too.

I think I can see the angle Sony is shooting for. They drop the PS2 compatibility completely from the 40GB as an entry level for those still iffy about price, and then drop the price of the PS2 to $99. That way, if they really want to play PS2, they can still get it for only a C note.

I'm guessing that perhaps dropping some ports and the backwards compatibility will drop manufacturing costs, but if I was a guessing man, I'd say they will still be losing money. A necessary evil, I'm afraid. How else can you counter huge Christmas lineups for the Wii and 360?

Yeah, I agree DD, there is absolutely no way, PS3 will counter against the Wii and 360 lineup. Its freaking amazing.

I keep hearing this but the only games i know to be 'must haves' on those two systems are brawl, galaxy, pgr4 and mass effect, which isn't exactly a long line. meanwhile sony has a gran turismo, socom and singstar coming with uncharted playing new must have IP and a whole lot of 'should buys' that won't sell systems but will leave people happy with their purchase. [haze, ut3, racftod and multiplatforms like CoD4, Orange box, etc].

 So... yea, what hit games are coming for 360/wii that i don't know about?

 

 



We know 60Gig PS3s are being phased out, and something has to replace them. And it has to happen soon.

I did a quick calc this morning, and figured a $399US PS3 would retail in Australia for $699 - so guess I was spot on.

No PS2 compat doesn't make sense to me though - wasn't the emotion engine REMOVED anyway, and replaced with software emulation? I thought this cost saving was already phased in?

Or... has *every* PS3 unit until now still had the emotion engine? And these are the ones without it, and they couldn't get software PS2 emulation to work?

...

Either way, the PS3 is *still* about $400 too much for me to consider. It will also come with *nothing* (maybe 1 BD movie... wow :P).



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Nocturnal is helping companies get cheaper game ratings in Australia:

Game Assessment website

Wii code: 2263 4706 2910 1099

This fits in with a comment from a Microsoft executive back in July after E3...

http://boardsus.playstation.com/playstation/board/print?board.id=ps3&message.id=1761271&format=one

"My prediction is that you're going to see the creation of a new, low-end SKU this holiday. It'll likely remove integrated WiFi, memory card reader, and most controversially, all backward compatibility. (Remember, there's still some back-compat hardware in even the new "software only" back compat SKUs; removing the remaining CPU is a significant cost savings.) You'll see a new WiFi dongle made available. And finally, this low-end SKU will likely come with a smaller 40 GB hard drive. The low-end price will be set at $399, with the higher-end 80 GB SKU dropping to $499."



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We would have an ultimate price offensive with 40gb PS3 for $399 and 80gb PS3 for $499. I think in such situation MS will be forced to respond. Yeah... X360 has the best games... You know what... It's not enough. With same price PS3 will trample X360.  Halo3 or not.


shams said:
We know 60Gig PS3s are being phased out, and something has to replace them. And it has to happen soon.


 We didn't know that for the E.U./Pal. These 60 gig didn't have the E.E. all together and were diffrent to those in america.



the BC with most PS2 games should be identical to the 80gb sys, while there wouldn't be any BC with PS1 games if the GS chipset is removed, right?

anyways i hope they do get a lower price SKU...



Dodece said:
The problem with these statements is dedicated hoaxers are very adept at their diabolical art. They know enough about their subject to sound authentic, and yet are sly enough to evade detection. Unlike your standard blow hard or a meager troll. They play the game at an entirely different level, and sometimes the complexity would baffle the most dedicated scrounger. Often sending the investigator off chasing phantoms. Further more once their shenanigans are finally exposed they have moved on leaving a wake of destruction, as the house they built tumbles down on the true believers.

Unfortunately you might be doing exactly what the hoaxer wants your acting as their agent. One hoaxer can generate so much detritus that their lies have a way of colliding with each other from multiple sources resulting in what appears to be supporting evidence. For example the same guy can start similar stories on a handful of different sites at slightly different times.

The posters on those sites take the material the hoaxer has laid on them to other sites. Where even more people collect reinforce and then spread to even more sites. Eventually five accounts blossom in hundreds if not thousands of accounts. The carriers often embellishing the tale as their trusted source. The result is one very witty hoaxer has built an entire rumor mill out of five posts with no real validation of their account.

Yes its a very simple for a lie to take on a life of its own. Like a virus it mutates, and infects every poster it touches. Eventually when enough people read it enough times sometimes it can even become accepted truth. The worst of these hoaxes rely on actual distrust of the reputable sources. Even if Sony wanted desperately to put down these rumors. Their record when it comes to honesty is pathetic. Nobody will believe them since they have lied so often in the past. Meanwhile the hoaxer gets a clean slate with whatever new persona they adopt.

The worst thing you can do is ask the question is this guy legit. Unless they are utterly incompetent a hoaxer is near impossible to expose, and that is the only way to answer your question. Fellow posters will label the source as a maybe. Well have you ever told a child maybe. To a child that is a weak yes. In adults it is a suppressed yes. So in their minds the original poster gains a small margin of credibility, and that is what the house of cards is built upon.

Now if your seriously interested in the subject citing a poster on another forum. Which by the way is a way to defer responsibility, and add credibility to yourself. Well thats not the way to do it. The best way is to post the basics of the post into a rephrased question. Say do you think this kind of price reduction would be conceivable.

There are ways to uncloak hoaxers, but that is an art in and of itself. Involving numerous tactics, and a great degree of psychological understanding of their pathological psychosis. They often do it for the thrill, the sense of power, or even for a degree of revenge. In that sense they can be manipulated against themselves. However instead of devoting yourself to doing such things its better not to spread rumors, and more importantly to not dwell too deeply on them. When you focus on something or spread it. You become intricately involved. That just makes you an agent, and not an interested observer.

Your asking a question nobody can answer, and perhaps giving a con artist a free boost. Which accomplishes nothing, and worse might obscure the truth. Hoaxers will spread dozens of lies praying to hit one right. Once that happens they move to the big leagues. Becoming almost like a prophet. They have no reputation to protect, and can get a lot of mileage out of a good guess.

Wake of destruction?  WTF?  It was just a rumor.  



cool... on my b'day :D U can trust an Aussie :P



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