There's nothing misleading about the OP...If you READ the post...they have had the kits for 4 to 6 weeks!  So, at E3, they already had it, and this OP was directly squarely at those who said Natal was vaporware, and that Sony's advancement of Wii's tech was going to reach consumer much faster than Natal.  This clearly put that line of thinking  in doubt, and shows that Natal might actually reach consumer faster than magic wand.  I'm sure M$ didn't provide the kits to just THQ, and this isn't M$ reporting...it's THQ...a third party developer!

I'm skeptical that either Microsoft or Sony will have significant motion-controlled titles to release in 2010... maybe some Wii ports, some simple casual games or some old games with tacked-on motion controls (such as Burnout).

I was going to say the exact same thing...

If 3rd party developers are only now beginning to receive dev kits, with the majority having received none at all, how the heck are they gonna come up with something substantially great in time for their supposed 'spring 2010' launch? Even for Wii, with its weaker, and easy-to-develop-for hardware, it takes a reasonably long time to develop really good games... How exactly are developers gonna put out strong titles for the 'core' HD consoles in time for launch? Especially seeing how the vast majority of developers still doesn't seem to have any dev kits.

I predict a few casual minigame-crap-fests, but that's it.

That could be the case, but then why didn't they show any game demos at E3, instead just showing some tech demos which are more suited to a conference like GDC than E3?

Why would you want THQ making games for your platform anyway, I can't think of any good games that they have made.... but things aren't looking great for an amazing motion controlled line-up in Spring 2010

Yeah, casual minigame-heavy games we might see, but the core ones you mentioned? Do you seriously believe studios that release but one or two games a *year* will take the gamble and release a motion-based game instead of a more traditional one that might see better sales? You have to keep in mind that both Sony and Microsoft' motion-control devices are add-ons to the already existing (and by no means cheap) hardware. What do you think the penetration rate for these devices will be? Surely they won't be *that* high. That means they'll have to build up an entire new install base from scratch. Developers aren't gonna release big-budget 'core' HD games if there's no guarantee they'll sell even remotely well.

And besides, whether you, me, or anyone else likes it or not, the vast majority of so-called HD 'core' gamers have been very vocal when it comes to motion controls. It's painfully obvious *most* core gamers just don't want motion controls. Or so they claim. Denying that is denying most of the videogame-related websites and message boards around. And if they'd release a game with motion AND traditional controls? Well, that would kind of defeat the purpose of the motion-controlled games.

So I don't think developers are going to invest tons of money in developing deep, meaningful core games for platforms that are already expensive to develop for. Especially regarding the current worldwide financial situation. Nowadays it's incredibly risky to release a game that strays very far from the established content that's already available on a platform. Especially on the HD consoles. Studios are shutting down and going bankrupt left and right, no-one's gonna take any gambles.

Again, *yes* we will probably see quite a few minigame-heavy, casual-oriented games coming out. But the big-budget, core-focused titles? We'll have to wait and see, but I'd say don't get your hopes up. Especially regarding studios that typically release few games, because when one bombed game can force you out of business, no-one's gonna take the risk.

Nobody said Natal was vaporware they said it was gimped.

That would be cool... and I also want to be able to use voice commands, but I can already do that in EndWar.... and I really have 0 interest in plaing my games standing up, or in a manner than might be tiring

Hmm, yeah, well, like I said, I was just giving my opinion and what I expect. We'll have to wait and see.

Concerning the costs of developing a core motion-controlled game for either PS3 or 360, you didn't get what I was saying. Of course the control scheme wouldn't cost that much to develop. It's the games themselves I was talking about. It's a fact that games for either of the HD consoles cost a heck of a lot more than Wii games, with or without the motion controls.

And yeah, the pricecut. We've al heard countless arguments and reasons why and when the PS3 will start selling better, and so far, not a single one has had any substantial long-term effect. I do believe a PS3 pricecut will boost sales, obviously, but long-term? Not so much. Besides, the competition can always lower *their* prices as well, they're in a much more comfortable financial position.

ALSO, - what..?

But hey, like I said, that's just how I personally think about it, I'm not bashing or attacking anyone or any company, to each their own. :)

We'll see.

oh noes ! what will they do without THQ titles at launch.. that were unlikely to come out at launch anyways.. terrible.