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Slimebeast on 26 June 2009
WessleWoggle said:
Slimebeast:

 


Do u misunderstand on purpose or something? It's not that atheists dont have literally any morals, the point is that an atheist never can have absolute morals. (or 'universal morals', or call it whatever u want, the essence is the same)


What makes you think religious people can have absolute morals?


Because they claim to have absolute morals, ordained by God.



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WessleWoggle on 26 June 2009

Alright, that's good enough.



Squilliam on 26 June 2009

I would suspect that if you were the enemy as mandated by the government you'd be just as likely shot by a christian soldier as an athiest soldier. Also if you look at people abstaining from going to war you'd probably see as many Christians as Athiests unwilling to kill. The idea that though shalt not kill is lost on most people if the government gives them a gun and a pack. So do you say these people aren't christians? Then almost nobody is or do you say that Christian morals probably don't effect the behaviour of soldiers?



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Slimebeast on 26 June 2009
Squilliam said:
I would suspect that if you were the enemy as mandated by the government you'd be just as likely shot by a christian soldier as an athiest soldier. Also if you look at people abstaining from going to war you'd probably see as many Christians as Athiests unwilling to kill. The idea that though shalt not kill is lost on most people if the government gives them a gun and a pack. So do you say these people aren't christians? Then almost nobody is or do you say that Christian morals probably don't effect the behaviour of soldiers?


Hmm... but a good soldier is supposed to kill. And Christians happen to have this 'obedience to authority'-dilemma too. So when speaking of war it's a more complicated topic than u painted here about Christianity not having effect on people's (soldier's) behaviour.



Squilliam on 26 June 2009
Slimebeast said:
Squilliam said:
I would suspect that if you were the enemy as mandated by the government you'd be just as likely shot by a christian soldier as an athiest soldier. Also if you look at people abstaining from going to war you'd probably see as many Christians as Athiests unwilling to kill. The idea that though shalt not kill is lost on most people if the government gives them a gun and a pack. So do you say these people aren't christians? Then almost nobody is or do you say that Christian morals probably don't effect the behaviour of soldiers?


Hmm... but a good soldier is supposed to kill. And Christians happen to have this 'obedience to authority'-dilemma too. So when speaking of war it's a more complicated topic than u painted here about Christianity not having effect on people's (soldier's) behaviour.

Theres a pretty simple commandment, though shalt not kill and just because your dad or your uncle or your friend, heck even your government tells you to kill someone doesn't over-rule it.



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Slimebeast on 26 June 2009
Squilliam said:
Slimebeast said:
Squilliam said:
I would suspect that if you were the enemy as mandated by the government you'd be just as likely shot by a christian soldier as an athiest soldier. Also if you look at people abstaining from going to war you'd probably see as many Christians as Athiests unwilling to kill. The idea that though shalt not kill is lost on most people if the government gives them a gun and a pack. So do you say these people aren't christians? Then almost nobody is or do you say that Christian morals probably don't effect the behaviour of soldiers?


Hmm... but a good soldier is supposed to kill. And Christians happen to have this 'obedience to authority'-dilemma too. So when speaking of war it's a more complicated topic than u painted here about Christianity not having effect on people's (soldier's) behaviour.

Theres a pretty simple commandment, though shalt not kill and just because your dad or your uncle or your friend, heck even your government tells you to kill someone doesn't over-rule it.


I agree. But some x-ians dont interpret the Bible that way. I dunno why, I cant remember their arguments for it at the moment.



Esmoreit on 26 June 2009
Slimebeast said:
Squilliam said:
Slimebeast said:
Squilliam said:
I would suspect that if you were the enemy as mandated by the government you'd be just as likely shot by a christian soldier as an athiest soldier. Also if you look at people abstaining from going to war you'd probably see as many Christians as Athiests unwilling to kill. The idea that though shalt not kill is lost on most people if the government gives them a gun and a pack. So do you say these people aren't christians? Then almost nobody is or do you say that Christian morals probably don't effect the behaviour of soldiers?


Hmm... but a good soldier is supposed to kill. And Christians happen to have this 'obedience to authority'-dilemma too. So when speaking of war it's a more complicated topic than u painted here about Christianity not having effect on people's (soldier's) behaviour.

Theres a pretty simple commandment, though shalt not kill and just because your dad or your uncle or your friend, heck even your government tells you to kill someone doesn't over-rule it.


I agree. But some x-ians dont interpret the Bible that way. I dunno why, I cant remember their arguments for it at the moment.

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Squilliam on 26 June 2009
Slimebeast said:
Squilliam said:

Theres a pretty simple commandment, though shalt not kill and just because your dad or your uncle or your friend, heck even your government tells you to kill someone doesn't over-rule it.


I agree. But some x-ians dont interpret the Bible that way. I dunno why, I cant remember their arguments for it at the moment.

Such is the unfortunate truth.

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WessleWoggle on 26 June 2009

Thanks for the site Squillam! It's full of lulz.



appolose on 26 June 2009

Actually, the Hebrew (or, so I think) indicates in that verse the disallowance of murder not killing. Furthermore, Jesus says not to "murder" as well. So, as murder is defined as unjustified killing, there can be justified killing (that is, not murder).



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