axumblade said: S.T.A.G.E. said: axumblade said: S.T.A.G.E. said: axumblade said: S.T.A.G.E. said: axumblade said: I agree. Although I would say that the 360 is a significantly behind the PSP and DS when it comes to JRPG's...But I'm assuming this is just based on home consoles. Yep, next gen consoles only, which have the major hardcore RPG franchises. That's arguable...Dragon Quest IX and Pokemon are huge titles that are available on the DS. There's still some going to the PSP but there are a lot of remakes/ports  (Persona, Star Ocean, Disgaea) or side stories (Crisis Core). Also, both Tales of the World: Radiant Mythology games for the PSP outsold the ToV and the first Tales of the World: Radiant Mythology outsold Tales of Symphonia: Dawn of the New World. Dragon quests largest following was on the PS2 and ended there. Dragon Quest isn't a priority on the Wii, because the demographic are focused on non-hardcore games. Pokemon will be purchased by kids and still wont sell enough to be considered a threat any longer. Pokemon was huge when my generation was growing up. We're talking about the hardcore. 2 Million sold or more and growing by the core demographic. Other than remakes, the last Dragon Quest was on the PS2. Remakes rarely sell as much as the originals. Also DQ9 is on the DS not the Wii. And it has yet to come out yet. ioi is predicting it to sell 2 million it's first week in Japan but that's not relevant? Also, I'm talking about the Pokemon games. Not the Mystery Dungeon/Pokemon Ranger games. I'm referring to the actual main storyline Pokemon games. Pokémon Diamond / Pearl 16.85m Pokémon Platinum Version 4.92m Pokemon needs to stay on te DS if it wants to sell. Handhelds don't count though. I am glad that Pokemon sold well on a platform were it could be appreciated. The Wii is no place for any form of RPG to survive. Which proves my argument to this part of your statement. If you argue Pokemon isn't hardcore, I have to warn you, the Nintendo fanboys can smell an insult from a mile away and will likely attack you. x.o

I agree that Pokemon is extremely popular. Well, Pokemon is really a childrens game. I grew up watching it and it was really created for the child-like mind. My friends and I used to play Pokemon Stadium when we were young, on the N64. I can see where you feel that Pokemon has a hardcore following. A hardcore childrens following.

axumblade said: S.T.A.G.E. said: axumblade said: S.T.A.G.E. said: axumblade said: S.T.A.G.E. said: axumblade said: S.T.A.G.E. said: axumblade said: I agree. Although I would say that the 360 is a significantly behind the PSP and DS when it comes to JRPG's...But I'm assuming this is just based on home consoles. Yep, next gen consoles only, which have the major hardcore RPG franchises. That's arguable...Dragon Quest IX and Pokemon are huge titles that are available on the DS. There's still some going to the PSP but there are a lot of remakes/ports  (Persona, Star Ocean, Disgaea) or side stories (Crisis Core). Also, both Tales of the World: Radiant Mythology games for the PSP outsold the ToV and the first Tales of the World: Radiant Mythology outsold Tales of Symphonia: Dawn of the New World. Dragon quests largest following was on the PS2 and ended there. Dragon Quest isn't a priority on the Wii, because the demographic are focused on non-hardcore games. Pokemon will be purchased by kids and still wont sell enough to be considered a threat any longer. Pokemon was huge when my generation was growing up. We're talking about the hardcore. 2 Million sold or more and growing by the core demographic. Other than remakes, the last Dragon Quest was on the PS2. Remakes rarely sell as much as the originals. Also DQ9 is on the DS not the Wii. And it has yet to come out yet. ioi is predicting it to sell 2 million it's first week in Japan but that's not relevant? Also, I'm talking about the Pokemon games. Not the Mystery Dungeon/Pokemon Ranger games. I'm referring to the actual main storyline Pokemon games. Pokémon Diamond / Pearl 16.85m Pokémon Platinum Version 4.92m Pokemon needs to stay on te DS if it wants to sell. Handhelds don't count though. I am glad that Pokemon sold well on a platform were it could be appreciated. The Wii is no place for any form of RPG to survive. Which proves my argument to this part of your statement. If you argue Pokemon isn't hardcore, I have to warn you, the Nintendo fanboys can smell an insult from a mile away and will likely attack you. x.o I agree that Pokemon is extremely popular. Well, Pokemon is really a childrens game. I grew up watching it and it was really created for the child-like mind. My friends and I used to play Pokemon Stadium when we were young, on the N64. I can see where you feel that Pokemon has a hardcore following. A hardcore childrens following. I'm personally not a fan of pokemon. But whenever Pokemon Diamond/Pearl came out, literally every person I know with a DS bought the game. In fact, a couple of friends bought DS's for the game. It even got so bad to the point where one of my friends roommates bought him and their other room mate the game so that they could all play against each other.

You think thats bad? I remember being hounded by friends in elementary school and middle school to play Pokemon on the Gameboy and Gameboy advanced. That is crazy. The sales for the Game Boy and Gameboy advanced in all should make the DS sales seem laughable.

@ Axumblade: The Nintendo fanboys can come and try to start a war with me, but they know full well that Sony took Nintendos 3rd party after either they moneyhatted or the companies jumped ship for their own reasons during the PS1 era.

People keep saying about WKC. I thought people forgot about this one after the negative hands on. As far as I understand it's a bit of a flop. It's in the same region as IU on 360 for reviews and feedback.

"Reviewers and game writers of all stripes love to pontificate about trends and ‘shifts’ of all sorts when talking about specific genres or generations. RPG’s are no exception, as many have suggested that the most recent generation of consoles is seeing the rise of western RPGs and the fading of traditional Japanese role-playing games. With Mass Effect, Fable II, Fallout 3, and Oblivion all outshining the likes of Lost Odyssey and The Last Remnant, many are wondering if we have merely seen a string of sub-par games, or if JRPG’s are on their way out.

Many gamers, myself included, waited with baited breath for White Knight Chronicles to come out and give PS3 owners something to cheer about. Both the system and the genre could use a white knight in shining armor to come and save them, and with every other game being sequel number four or thirteen, the fact that WKC is an original franchise does not hurt. An original and superb PS3 title is just the game we have all been waiting for.

Unfortunately, we are going to have to wait a bit longer, since WKC is not that game. It is a decent JRPG with a fun online component, and a fine-looking seventh generation console video game. It makes no fatal mistakes, but possesses no great virtues. It is an average game made worse by the sense of tremendous opportunities squandered. Lower your expectations a few pegs and you have an enjoyable JRPG that, while it won’t convert anyone to the genre, will still endear with its original gameplay elements and likable characters. Put your expectations back where they should be, and you will see that WKC does not hold a candle to any decent RPG of the last generation including Level 5’s PS2 titles. Persona 4, Star Ocean 3, and Final Fantasy XII all outshine the game in every way, including music, voice work, and graphics if you value design and detail over resolution."

http://www.rpgfan.com/reviews/White_Knight_Chronicles/index.html

The DS version is going to make the Nintendo version look like shit.

They might well be right, still won't make me buy one though. I wanted Star Ocean 4 too.

Okay, that's it. You're a troll. There is no possible way you can deny it and still be credible. Dragon Quest, the second biggest RPG series right now (atleast JRPGs - Not sure what the biggest WRPGs are) is coming to Wii, and your defense in a later post was that "Well the Wii isn't hardcore so DQX won't be either" - No. You are a troll. I'm not going to reply to your flamebait anymore.

EDIT: Actually, correction, Dragon Quest would be the third biggest RPG series. I forgot about Pokémon.

A little defensive? that's all? That's like saying:

FPS and TPS: 360

NDFPS: PS3

(NDFPS = Netherlands Developed First Person Shooter)

Nice article. Section off four different platforms as being inconsequential to the argument, just leave the two lowest selling platforms, and have a pissing contest between them like usual. Reasoning why the DS isn't under consideration? It would defeat every console and handheld so brutally that it wouldn't have made an engaging article. Really this wasn't an article made for fans of RPG games, because those fans would want to know where the best RPGs are, regardless of platform. It was made for those that get kicks over "PS3 vs. 360: Who wins this round?" articles.

Or perhaps because consoles and handhelds are always considered seperately. Just like PC games are only rolled into a discussion to rain on people's parades.