ironman said:
The part highlined in orange is is where you started the argument. That statement was meant to tear down the credability of christians by making them look stupid. I'm sorry but that doesn't fly.
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Not stupid (not all of them, at least). But I stand by what I've said: most Christians I've known over the years quickly dismiss the OT. I think because they know that it makes God look bad. Many Christians I've known haven't even bothered to read the thing... which is understandable, frankly. I assume you *have* read it, so you know how tedious most of it is (with a few notable exceptions).
But yeah, I think that many Christians are ignorant of much of the Old Testament, and even those who are familiar with it seem very fast to downplay it when it's referenced in any kind of argument (just like has happened in this thread). If Christians are right, then the Old Testament was inspired by God--it is the Word.
Seems to me like it's worth discussing, even when inconvenient.
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Now, lets go back to your point on #11. Lets remeber first of all that this is the old testament, this was before Jesus. People in the old testament had to give sacrifices in order to "cleanse" their souls on a regular basis because all men (meaning mankind) are sinners. The sacrifice was a symbol of your repentance. When Jesus was crucified, he became the human sacrifice. Thus eliminateing the need for animal sacrifices.
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Obviously this has nothing to do with sacrifices, but yes, I do understand that the Old Testament is before Jesus, and I understand what Jesus is supposed to represent.
| You need to realize that things were a lot more strict before Jesus came. A wife touching another man's genitles would have been considered adultry to the Jewish people in that time period. Rather than be "killed" by God, they would want to cut off their hand. You must realize that most of the old testament laws were talored to the time period and the Jewish people. |
Here's the passage quoted in the OP:
Deuteronomy 25:11-12.
"If two men, a man and his countryman, are struggling together, and the wife of one comes near to deliver her husband from the hand of the one who is striking him, and puts out her hand and seizes his genitals, then you shall cut off her hand; you shall not show pity."
If this was actually considered adultery, then it wouldn't have been necessary to specify the situation like this; adultery is already covered by other laws. This is demonstrably and obviously different from sleeping with another man--the Jews were not stupid.
Or, if you believe they were, wouldn't God's role here be to enlighten them? To give them laws that reflect good, proper behavior... instead of conforming to their flawed, irrational understandings?
If your wife defends you--even by grabbing the balls of your attacker--you do not "thank" her by cutting off her hand. You do not punish her; she has done nothing that merits punishment. Instead, she has acted as a good wife, and ought to be praised for it.
If you confuse this with adultery, you are misguided. If you cut off a woman's hand for this reason, you are barbaric. If you are a God who forces your people to act thus, you are psychotic.