I just looked up the review scores for Vesperia and FFXI at IGN.  Vesperia got an 8.2 and FFXI got an 8.8.

I did play the demo for Vesperia and based on the demo I would give it a 7.5.

This demo suck but the full game is OUTSTANDING. You should give it a try.

I wish SE had looked at TotA a little when designing Lightning.

that's because fujishima is simply better, he's not one of the most famous for nothing.

As far as pictures of girls drawn in a Japanese style goes...Legretta is definately very nice. You know what I mean.

lol, you played the demo, and think we should take your opinion as a valid recommendation to those who might purchase Vesperia?

The demo is notoriously bad, and you can't develop characters or learn the complexities of a 200 hour 3 playthrough battle system in a demo. In fact, you can't learn anything from a demo of a jrpg.

Everyone should take your opinion with a grain of salt, if they are thinking of purchasing a jrpg, if you are basing your recommendations of a 60 hour jrpg off of, and flaming games based upon a demo. What kind of poster would do something like that? You don't even know(admittedly) what games are good, yourself, why would you try to influence others?

Here's some things that you might not know:

A. Vesperia has a huge cult following that sprung up after its release. Almost no one who has beaten it, doubts its quality.

B. The weighted average for the game is actually quite high compared to every other jrpg this generation, with the exception of the very innovative Valkyria, and Persona series'. Critics are much less forgiving of traditionalism, a trait that jrpg fans generally love, in modern times. Vesperia doesn't reinvent, it improves.

C. Vesperia's demo is notoriously bad. Even I hated it. As any Vesperia forum on the internet, or anyone here.

D. Demo's are like movie trailers. They often misrepresent the game. Especially if the game is 60 hours long, and story based.

E. Despite their numerical scores, the text reviews for the game are resoundingly positive and absolutely delightful.

F. XI is a MMO, not a JRPG, so as I said, Tales of me taking a Piss is a better JRPG than XI, because at least I can do that without 40 other players and Ventrillo.

@Soriku

Nomura is still not as good as Fujishima, especially when it comes to mechanical drawings, different leagues.

List of Highest Rated Tales Games from IGN

Tales of Destiny II -- 8.5 PS1
Tales of Symphonia -- 8.5 Gamecube
Tales of the Abyss -- 8.3 PS2
Tales of Vesperia -- 8.2 360
Tales of Legendia -- 7.7 PS2

List of Highest Rated Final Fantasies from IGN

Final Fantasy VII -- 9.5 -- PS1
Final Fantasy X -- 9.5 -- PS2
Final Fantasy X-2 -- 9.5 -- PS2
Final Fantasy XII -- 9.5 -- PS2
Final Fantasy IX -- 9.2 -- PS1


So, one can see that to even begin to compete Tales of Graces will have to better than the best Tales games Symphonia and Destiny II, but I still think if it manages to do that Graces will only wind up being a 9.0 at best. On the other hand, I think the PS3 version of FFXIII will be the first 10 game at IGN since GTA IV and MGS 4, so I defintely give the nod to FFXIII.

Lol. Your quoting review scores from IGN for JRPGs. How cute.

Vesperia is the best tales game. What are you talking about?