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Akvod on 19 June 2009
Helios said:
Akvod said:

 

I mean, don't you think it's a bit like comparing oranges to apples when you're comparing a game like Mario to Metal Gear Solid? And how was the plot in Mario games complex? I didn't play Mario 64 (played a few of the older ones on my GBA), but I don't remember a complex plot... And how long are the dialogues in Mario?

I'm in no means saying MGS has a good script or not (and only sugesting that perhaps the cringe worthy script is due to bad localization).

But really, Mario?

I want to know why you think I said anything of the kind.

My exact phrase was "the quality of the script has little to do with complexity of the plot" id est, even a relatively plotless game like Mario can have good writing. 

Furthermore, it was you who brought up Mario in the first place. If we are going to talk about writing in Mario games, obviously the RPG spinoffs is where its at.

Is it so hard to use english? Just say "That/It is", instead of "id est" (god I fucking hated Latin, so glad I'm done with high school).

I'm sorry, what fucking dialogue did Mario have? "Save the princess"? I didn't play Mario 64, but I'm sure that didn't have good writing, or a lot of writing anyway.

Yes I brought up Mario, and also Zelda. The reason being that you said Nintendo created a lot of games with good dialogue. The only games that come up to mind when I think of Nintendo are Zelda, Mario, Metroid, Kirby, Star Fox, etc. And none of those games, save for Zelda, have a lot of dialogue. So please tell me, instead of going into spinoffs, what games (famous ones that everybody knows) should I have mentioned that are made by Nintendo and are dialogue driven?



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Riachu on 19 June 2009
Citan said:
Riachu said:
Citan said:
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Citan said:
Wow. I think you have to look outside the ususal hollywood writings to understand the writing in MGS 4.
A little more open-mindedness and understanding of culture might help you.
I`m embarresed to read something like this. In my opinion there are no games on this earth that have better writing than the MGS series.

Ragnar Tornquist's games would like to have a word with you.

Where, when and why?

I meant that Ragnar Tornquist's games are considered to be some of the best written in the industry.

Considered yes. In my opinoin NO.

Back to the topic: I`d like to see the one person on this planet make a better writing for MG. Because we can agree that MGS have extremely good writing, or?

The writing in MGS is not bad but it does suffer from a couple of serious issues.  For example, Snake's tendency to repeat various words as a question

ex.

Random dude: So this dude wants to send a neculear weapon to Russia.

Snake: Neculear weapon?

Random dude: Yes



 

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Akvod on 19 June 2009

 

Doesn't sound bad at all.

 



Citan on 19 June 2009
Riachu said:
Citan said:
Riachu said:
Citan said:
Riachu said:
Citan said:
Wow. I think you have to look outside the ususal hollywood writings to understand the writing in MGS 4.
A little more open-mindedness and understanding of culture might help you.
I`m embarresed to read something like this. In my opinion there are no games on this earth that have better writing than the MGS series.

Ragnar Tornquist's games would like to have a word with you.

Where, when and why?

I meant that Ragnar Tornquist's games are considered to be some of the best written in the industry.

Considered yes. In my opinoin NO.

Back to the topic: I`d like to see the one person on this planet make a better writing for MG. Because we can agree that MGS have extremely good writing, or?

The writing in MGS is not bad but it does suffer from a couple of serious issues.  For example, Snake's tendency to repeat various words as a question

ex.

Random dude: So this dude wants to send a neculear weapon to Russia.

Snake: Neculear weapon?

Random dude: Yes

Wow. So, if someone wants to send a nuclear weapon to Russia, you wouldn`t respond like that? Or would you say: "Is that true?" This is a ridicolous example. Try one more time.



ShadowSoldier on 19 June 2009

MGS is fine the way it is leave it alone



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Loud_Hot_White_Box on 19 June 2009
Citan said:
Riachu said:

The writing in MGS is not bad but it does suffer from a couple of serious issues.  For example, Snake's tendency to repeat various words as a question

ex.

Random dude: So this dude wants to send a neculear weapon to Russia.

Snake: Neculear weapon?

Random dude: Yes

Wow. So, if someone wants to send a nuclear weapon to Russia, you wouldn`t respond like that? Or would you say: "Is that true?" This is a ridicolous example. Try one more time.

Actually reminds me of Lebowski where everyone keeps repeating shit they hear someone else say.

Re: thread title: STAR WARS needed better writing,  not graphics.  (eps. 1-3, I mean)



_mevildan on 19 June 2009
ShadowSoldier said:
MGS is fine the way it is leave it alone

This is where I am coming from.

Look. I know where the complaints about the writing are coming from. The story has a lot of detail, and conversations can quickly swap topics etc etc. Thing is, I think this is a similar case in a lot of Anime. I remember lending the Cowboy Bebop movie to a friend and he hated it. Said it was too confusing and the story was all over the place. I loved it.

I wouldn't want Metal Gear any other way than the way it is now.



Riachu on 19 June 2009
_mevildan said:
ShadowSoldier said:
MGS is fine the way it is leave it alone

This is where I am coming from.

Look. I know where the complaints about the writing are coming from. The story has a lot of detail, and conversations can quickly swap topics etc etc. Thing is, I think this is a similar case in a lot of Anime. I remember lending the Cowboy Bebop movie to a friend and he hated it. Said it was too confusing and the story was all over the place. I loved it.

I wouldn't want Metal Gear any other way than the way it is now.

Don't get me wrong.  MGS has some of the best storytelling in the industry IMO.  More people would appreicate the storytelling more if the cutscenes weren't so lengthy and overwrought.



 

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Akvod on 19 June 2009

Gonna bring out my inner fanboy and say my speculations/accusations =P:

Xbox fanboys celebrated when Rising came because PS3 lost another exclusive.

When Sony fanboys retaliated by bringing up Kojima's interviews, and his Sony E3 conference, with accusations that the game is a spinoff and an "Lightning Bolt Action" game.

Xbox fanboys retaliated by saying that the entire series sucked due to poor dialogue and are going further by saying that the creator, Hideo Kojima himself, made the Metal Gear games bad, and therefore Rising will be better than the original Metal Gear series because Kojima will be gone.

I don't know why Xbox fans are happy that the Metal Gear series came to the 360. It sounds like they hated it in the first place, and that everything the die hard fans of Metal Gear loved (Kojima, the Japanese infusion, the story, dialogue, etc), they hated.

/fanboy



_mevildan on 19 June 2009
Akvod said:
Gonna bring out my inner fanboy and say my speculations/accusations =P:

Xbox fanboys celebrated when Rising came because PS3 lost another exclusive.

When Sony fanboys retaliated by bringing up Kojima's interviews, and his Sony E3 conference, with accusations that the game is a spinoff and an "Lightning Bolt Action" game.

Xbox fanboys retaliated by saying that the entire series sucked due to poor dialogue and are going further by saying that the creator, Hideo Kojima himself, made the Metal Gear games bad, and therefore Rising will be better than the original Metal Gear series because Kojima will be gone.

I don't know why Xbox fans are happy that the Metal Gear series came to the 360. It sounds like they hated it in the first place, and that everything the die hard fans of Metal Gear loved (Kojima, the Japanese infusion, the story, dialogue, etc), they hated.

/fanboy

I don't care if Rising is a spin off and I wouldn't care if they planned to release it on the Jaguar as well. IT'S A NEW METAL GEAR! WOOO HOOOO!