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I doubt MGS4 will be multiplatform anytime soon if at all. Kojima productions is still working on MGO and Kojima is finished with the franchise. How much will need to be changed to port it over to the 360? Will Kojima Productions be involved, considering MGO is still in development and thats top priority? Who will look over the project?



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badgerfan20945 said:
I doubt MGS4 will be multiplatform anytime soon if at all. Kojima productions is still working on MGO and Kojima is finished with the franchise. How much will need to be changed to port it over to the 360? Will Kojima Productions be involved, considering MGO is still in development and thats top priority? Who will look over the project?

Kojima also said MGS3 would be his last.

Porting is not like producing a game -- there is very little production involved. Porting MGS4 to the 360 would likely be very easy. The big typical limitations: cpu time, available memory, fill rate, are all higher on the 360. The issue they would likely run into is that they'd need to release it on 2 DVD9 discs instead of 1 BD. That's not a big deal for (mostly) linear games.

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johnlucas said:

I gotta chime in. I gotta chime in.

Stay tuned.

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Don't count on that one.  The PSN demo for MGS4 is in the works right now and it's been shown playable on the PS3.  MGS4 is going to the PS3, and it will go there before it goes to the 360.  All the wishing you do isn't going to change that.



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These rumors persist, because the companies involved Konami, and Square persistently send mixed signals. Further more that is probably their intention. Getting Microsoft and Sony into a bidding war over their product only serves their needs. So yes Microsoft has been courting these developers for these two games. That is just sound business practice. Even if they do not get them they force Sony to defend them in the process spending even more money. Square and Konami are the real winners in this war.

However it is a valid argument that they are running out of maneuvering room. The longer they wait after a certain point the less they will get. The situation is a true curve. Right now the curve is at its highest point, and from this point on the value of any exclusivity or porting arrangement will diminish. Microsoft wants and needs that victory now. They want that arrangement to bolster sales for the holidays especially in Japan.

Further more the longer both Square and Konami wait the less they have to offer at the bargaining table. The longer they wait the less holiday sales they will drive. The longer they wait they will become more committed to their initial stance. Soon they will not be able to offer true exclusivity which is what Microsoft really wants, and will pay the most for. The longer they wait the less valuable a simultaneous port will be, and if they wait even longer they can only offer a delayed port. By that point Microsoft will offer next to nothing.

Given the forty gig revelations of the last few weeks it is questionable whether Sony is that committed to securing exclusive rights. Which nobody has yet confessed to actually existing. They seem far more intent on lowering the price of the console, and touting its technological specs. They might have effectively tossed in the towel which only strengthens the position of Microsoft at the bargaining table. Perhaps Square and Konami pushed Sony to the point where they broke.

I would say it is very plausible, but if we go another month and nothing develops then it is not going to ever be possible. Effectively Konami and Square would be pot committed. The reality is Microsoft wants full exclusivity the most and will pay a premium for it. However simultaneous launches and, delayed ports, or timed exclusivity will not fetch Square or Konami all that much. Microsoft would be looking towards the market in Japan.

The reality is Microsoft has no market position to defend in Japan. So getting the same thing Sony will get even on the same day will not help them. Nor will a delayed launch which will get them nothing. Even a timed exclusive is a modest gain. The consumer in Japan might simply bide their time and wait for the PS3 port. The result is the only way Microsoft is going to pay through the teeth which is what these companies want is for complete exclusivity. Beyond that Microsoft just isn't going to pay that much. The American, and European audiences are quite pleased as it seems with their current and future library as is.

This is not a unbelievable article. When you think about it this is just common sense. Microsoft is trying to buy exclusives from under Sony. Which they have done in the past. Both companies Konami and Square have gotten pretty cozy with Microsoft, and they have been sending out mixed signals. Which does point to waning commitment on their part to the PS3. Does anyone actually expect that Microsoft is not trying, and that these companies are not listening intently? The only real question is what will it take for Microsoft to get what it wants, and will they spend that. Which is what the article is talking about.

This is less rumor and more about intelligent speculation. This would be the time when Microsoft would make its best pitch at these developers, and this would be the time when these developers would have to be motivated to reach a deal before the value of their games begin to decline. Microsoft might very well be close, but then again thats also the time when things fall apart. Where parties reach a point where they can go no further. The gremlin is in the fine details as it were.

Personally I am leaning towards Microsoft securing these titles. They simply have more to offer right now, and they desperately want them. Paying fifty million dollars to secure each one of these titles might be all it takes to push Sony over the cliff. Once they are gone will there be any relevant software defenses left for the PS3. The added bonus is they might become a serious contender in the Japanese market. Thats a premium worth having. Meanwhile I think Sony was stuck making a tough judgment call. Focus on the price, or focus on securing software. They seem to have gone with price.

I wonder if this is what the G4 story was about. That would be a massive story. Further more it could explain lawyers asking for a little more time to iron out the final details.





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It is possible that MGS4 will be multiplatform, but I hope Kojima has a say in Konami's decision. Why ignore a man who has helped build a reputation for your company for over 10 years? If he wants it a PS3 exclusive, keep it that way, but If the company feels that MGS4 won't make a decent profit, then port it. MGS is my favorite franchise, if the 360 gets it, I hope they support it more than they did MGS2 substance on XBOX.



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As usual, Dodece, your post is well written. I'm not as optimistic as you are about Microsoft spending the cash to secure these games but maybe I'm a bit pessimistic. I don't know what it would take from a financial perspective, but I suspect the numbers would have to be quite big. FFXIII is quite far off and they have time on that one... MGS4 is so far along in development, I don't think they could force an exclusive this late in the game -- maybe simultaneous launch at best. I would think that grabbing FFXIII exclusivity would be a major coup and, as you said, may push Sony off the cliff...



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The fact that both games will not even fit on a DVD9 disc is proof alone for the time being that both games are for the PS3 for a long time after they come out before any sort of game is made for the 360. FF games are not linear so i don't see how it could be played on the 360. Plus MGS4 is said to be native 1080p. What native res is going to be on the 360, 480p max.



GranTurismo said:
The fact that both games will not even fit on a DVD9 disc is proof alone for the time being that both games are for the PS3 for a long time after they come out before any sort of game is made for the 360. FF games are not linear so i don't see how it could be played on the 360. Plus MGS4 is said to be native 1080p. What native res is going to be on the 360, 480p max.

Money >>>>>>>>> Disc space issues

And FF is a very linear game



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