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blaydcor on 07 June 2009
ZenfoldorVGI said:
bugrimmar said:
well lets make things perfectly clear right now.

if a psp gt game can have more cars than a full on HD game (and i know that number of cars isn't the only measure of a great racing game), it speaks volumes about the attitude of a developer. basically, polyphony digital are perfectionists and they'll put in whatever they can fit. turn 10 will do what is expected of them and no more.

again, if a psp gt game can have more content than a full console game, imagine what the console gt game can contain. can microsoft really say all this nonsense with a straight face, when they're actually being one-upped by a handheld game?

the reality of the comparison between forza and gt is thus:

forza = casual's racing game.
gran turismo = enthusiast's driving simulator.

That argument is completely nonsensical. Forza 3 is not a "casual racing game" it is a racing simulator. What are you talking about. Explain yourself. How is Forza 3 "casual"?

It's incredibly casual. Tons of people who otherwise don't give a damn about gaming buy Forza/GT simply because it has so many cars in it, i.e., ties in to a real-world passion of many teenaged/young guys.



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ZenfoldorVGI on 07 June 2009
Serious_frusting said:
The problem i have with forza is the lack of real world tracks, realism. Also to me all the cars in forza drive more or less the same. On gt all the cars handle different. Some drive smooth some dont. Some cars turn better then others and brake better. All the car engines sound different aswell unlike forza with the recycled sounds.

GT is used by professional racers to get more used 2 certain tracks and cars.

Only people who have played GT and forza will understand what i mean

I played the hell out of Forza 2 and GT4. I think the better game is Forza 2. I don't follow racing or cars in real life though. I'm judging strictly on fun of the game...



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blaydcor on 07 June 2009

^Yeah, I get really sick of the haughty "GT is soo realistic an Forza is jus algorithms and not real" gamers. It's a game, damn it.



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ZenfoldorVGI on 07 June 2009
blaydcor said:
ZenfoldorVGI said:

That argument is completely nonsensical. Forza 3 is not a "casual racing game" it is a racing simulator. What are you talking about. Explain yourself. How is Forza 3 "casual"?

It's incredibly casual. Tons of people who otherwise don't give a damn about gaming buy Forza/GT simply because it has so many cars in it, i.e., ties in to a real-world passion of many teenaged/young guys.

No, wrong. There is a difference between a casual game and a core game. You are thinking about how much the CORE audience of real racing respects each game.

As far as the gameplay goes, Forza has been significantly ahead, with tire deformation, damage models, and the like, GT hasn't changed in years. Realism is a goal of Forza's gameplay, and not necessarily its locations(though the game also is an excellent racing sim)

Now, what YOU are talking about is the core audience, who appreciates the licenses, RW tracks, and NASCAR, and stuff like that. Those are who you consider a "core" audience here, and they would probably like GT more, while a normal gamer, who is not necessarily into Nascar, would prefer Forza, which promotes fun and gameplay over absolute realism and real world detail(not graphical detail, which both games tie).

I agree. As a core gamer, who doesn't necessarily follow the racing circuit(/barf) the game for me is Forza.

For NASCAR fans, and people who watch Rally Racing, instead of football, yes, by all means, they should probably pick up the game which spent the most on licenses and IPs. Afterall, 99 percent of real racing, is product placement.



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It feeds the rich while it buries the poor.
You're power hungry, spinnin' stories, and bein' graphics whores.
I don't need your console war.

NO NO, NO NO NO.

craighopkins on 07 June 2009

Forza 2 > GT4

Next round please



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blaydcor on 07 June 2009
ZenfoldorVGI said:
blaydcor said:
ZenfoldorVGI said:

That argument is completely nonsensical. Forza 3 is not a "casual racing game" it is a racing simulator. What are you talking about. Explain yourself. How is Forza 3 "casual"?

It's incredibly casual. Tons of people who otherwise don't give a damn about gaming buy Forza/GT simply because it has so many cars in it, i.e., ties in to a real-world passion of many teenaged/young guys.

No, wrong. There is a difference between a casual game and a core game. You are thinking about how much the CORE audience of real racing respects each game.

As far as the gameplay goes, Forza has been significantly ahead, with tire deformation, damage models, and the like, GT hasn't changed in years. That is, if you look at it more akin to real racing.

Now, what YOU are talking about is the core audience, who appreciates the licenses, RW tracks, and NASCAR, and stuff like that. Those are who you consider a "core" audience here, and they would probably like GT more, while a normal gamer, who is not necessarily into Nascar, would prefer Forza, which promotes fun and gameplay over absolute realism and real world detail(not graphical detail, which both games tie).

I agree. As a core gamer, who doesn't necessarily follow the racing circuit(/barf) the game for me is Forza.

For NASCAR fans, and people who watch Rally Racing, instead of football, yes, by all means, they should probably pick up the game which spent the most on licenses and IPs. Afterall, 99 percent of real racing, is product placement.

You misunderstand me. If a game is defined by it's audience, than both Gran Turismo and Forza are casual. A huge portion of both their audiences are NOT games, do NOT regularly buy lots of games, but will always purchase GT or Forza simply because they love cars, know that GT/Forza have a lot of them, recognize the name, are impressed by the realistic graphics, etc. I would say that Forza and GT have a higher percentage casual audience than any other game called hardcore. All of the counterpoints you brought forth have nothing to do with my argument. I'm arguing that both games are casual.



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damndl0ser on 07 June 2009
Serious_frusting said:
The problem i have with forza is the lack of real world tracks, realism. Also to me all the cars in forza drive more or less the same. On gt all the cars handle different. Some drive smooth some dont. Some cars turn better then others and brake better. All the car engines sound different aswell unlike forza with the recycled sounds.

GT is used by professional racers to get more used 2 certain tracks and cars.

Only people who have played GT and forza will understand what i mean

Either you have never played the game, or you don't understand how to tune your car.  



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RAZurrection on 07 June 2009
snyperdud said:
RAZurrection said:
snyperdud said:
Please, He hasn't seen much on GT5. None of us have.

That'd probably explain why it hasn't moved the genre forward enough.

But how can they say it hasn't when they haven't seen anything?

Because it's absence confirms it. If GT5 wants to prove it can compete, it has to actually show up, it hasn't.



Fame_Mcswagg on 07 June 2009
craighopkins said:
Forza 2 > GT4

Next round please

your comparing a xbox360 game to a ps2 game.......cool



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Skittles on 07 June 2009
RAZurrection said:
snyperdud said:
RAZurrection said:
snyperdud said:
Please, He hasn't seen much on GT5. None of us have.

That'd probably explain why it hasn't moved the genre forward enough.

But how can they say it hasn't when they haven't seen anything?

Because it's absence confirms it. If GT5 wants to prove it can compete, it has to actually show up, it hasn't.


Isn't the demo more than enough?



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