damkira said: You're absolutely right... fans of the other consoles seem to hate Nintendo and resent the fact that it has nearly 50% market share.

How that has anything to do with this thread is beyond me. This is very trollish spam. I personally don't care what console you choose to affilate with, nor do I wish death and distruction upon any of the consokles, I believe they all bring something fun and unique to the table. This should tell you I don't hate Wii, but  Ido hate trolls like yourself. You leave a bad taste in my mouth.

 

Ok, back on topic. I don't know why any of you can take pride in the fact that your preciouse console was, for the most part, the ground breaker in motion control. True, it has lost ground this E3, but as long as you have one, and Nintendo keeps releasing games, why does it matter?

i think Natal is very limited, and if was announced by Nintendo most people would see it as another family game/concept

i don't understand how Natal possibilities are endless, what exactly can you play with it!?
ok, there are some great things like on-rails shooter with fighting elements would rule : P a swordplay, a fitness game, sports games and party games

sports games like running won't be favored by Natal, so Wii has sports as well, fitness is ok i guess i a bit favored by Natal, a swordplay game is just limited to sword or karate, nothing more, you can't even walk, it will be cool but will get boring pretty fast

what are the other possibilities, it does not even have one button, do you realize what that means, you can't do a lot of things, not even move character

let's think of the best games, Halo could work with Natal, how?
a fighter like street fighter or ssbb would work? Mario Kart, how are going to throw shells and stuff, Mario Galaxy, Assasin's Creed, any RPG?? i think it's very limited for gamers at least

i see that Natal is great, but i cannot understand why most core-gamers like it, from the point they hated Wii remote and WM+ i don't see how you can be impressed by this when is mostly sports and party games (which is what MS wants, casuals), and this is why you hate Wii, , and now you support this because it's not Nintendo.... : (

dark_gh0st_b0y said: i think Natal is very limited, and if was announced by Nintendo most people would see it as another family game/concept i don't understand how Natal possibilities are endless, what exactly can you play with it!? ok, there are some great things like on-rails shooter with fighting elements would rule : P a swordplay, a fitness game, sports games and party games sports games like running won't be favored by Natal, so Wii has sports as well, fitness is ok i guess i a bit favored by Natal, a swordplay game is just limited to sword or karate, nothing more, you can't even walk, it will be cool but will get boring pretty fast what are the other possibilities, it does not even have one button, do you realize what that means, you can't do a lot of things, not even move character let's think of the best games, Halo could work with Natal, how? a fighter like street fighter or ssbb would work? Mario Kart, how are going to throw shells and stuff, Mario Galaxy, Assasin's Creed, any RPG?? i think it's very limited for gamers at least i see that Natal is great, but i cannot understand why most core-gamers like it, from the point they hated Wii remote and WM+ i don't see how you can be impressed by this when is mostly sports and party games (which is what MS wants, casuals), and this is why you hate Wii, , and now you support this because it's not Nintendo.... : (

Wow, really? When did I ever say I hated the Wii? Did I not say that I thought their Wiimote was innovative and cool when it first came out? Did I not say that if MS created the Wiimote+ I would be very unimpressed. Did I not also say that if Nintendo came out with NATAL I would have been just as impressed with it? You sir, owe me an apology. I do not hate the Wii, It just isn't my cup of tea. Just because you hate anything MS (and it shows greatly) Does not mean that anybody who does not own your precious console is automatically a hater. Try reading my damn posts, I have answered EVERY SINGLE QUESTIOn you have asked. But since you seem unable to fully comprehend what you see on your screen. Let me reiterate. (read it slowly and let it sink in before you decide to post more bullshit)

Buttons: you don't need buttons. If you want to jump in the game, just jump in real life, you wanna reload, make the motion that you are reloading your weapon in real life, you wanna change weapons, just tell NATAL which weapon you want.

MS has said that they plan to make Halo and COD playable on NATAL. 

You obviously cannot comprehend how NATAL can and will work with games of all types, therefore, I expect I will have to post all this a third time, just like I had to do in the two other threads. You people can be dense sometimes. Now, NEVER, EVER, EVER, accuse me of hating a console again, do you understand?

ironman said: dark_gh0st_b0y said: i think Natal is very limited, and if was announced by Nintendo most people would see it as another family game/concept i don't understand how Natal possibilities are endless, what exactly can you play with it!? ok, there are some great things like on-rails shooter with fighting elements would rule : P a swordplay, a fitness game, sports games and party games sports games like running won't be favored by Natal, so Wii has sports as well, fitness is ok i guess i a bit favored by Natal, a swordplay game is just limited to sword or karate, nothing more, you can't even walk, it will be cool but will get boring pretty fast what are the other possibilities, it does not even have one button, do you realize what that means, you can't do a lot of things, not even move character let's think of the best games, Halo could work with Natal, how? a fighter like street fighter or ssbb would work? Mario Kart, how are going to throw shells and stuff, Mario Galaxy, Assasin's Creed, any RPG?? i think it's very limited for gamers at least i see that Natal is great, but i cannot understand why most core-gamers like it, from the point they hated Wii remote and WM+ i don't see how you can be impressed by this when is mostly sports and party games (which is what MS wants, casuals), and this is why you hate Wii, , and now you support this because it's not Nintendo.... : ( Wow, really? When did I ever say I hated the Wii? Did I not say that I thought their Wiimote was innovative and cool when it first came out? Did I not say that if MS created the Wiimote+ I would be very unimpressed. Did I not also say that if Nintendo came out with NATAL I would have been just as impressed with it? You sir, owe me an apology. I do not hate the Wii, It just isn't my cup of tea. Just because you hate anything MS (and it shows greatly) Does not mean that anybody who does not own your precious console is automatically a hater. Try reading my damn posts, I have answered EVERY SINGLE QUESTIOn you have asked. But since you seem unable to fully comprehend what you see on your screen. Let me reiterate. (read it slowly and let it sink in before you decide to post more bullshit) Buttons: you don't need buttons. If you want to jump in the game, just jump in real life, you wanna reload, make the motion that you are reloading your weapon in real life, you wanna change weapons, just tell NATAL which weapon you want. MS has said that they plan to make Halo and COD playable on NATAL.  You obviously cannot comprehend how NATAL can and will work with games of all types, therefore, I expect I will have to post all this a third time, just like I had to do in the two other threads. You people can be dense sometimes. Now, NEVER, EVER, EVER, accuse me of hating a console again, do you understand?

it's very easy to say if and i would, but maybe it's truth, i don't know

i don't hate MS at all, i said i would buy an Xbox360 if they could make on-rails FPS with fighting in it, but there's no way i would give up the Wii for it

and it's you that cannot read, i said most-gamers,i mean more than 50%,  i haven't said you hate Wii for god's sake

 

so, you like Natal because you believe it can be used for every game, even Halo and Call of Duty, that's cool although i don't see how but anyway

what i believe is that a lot of games won't be the same without buttons, and i don't like the idea of walking on place if that's what they want

they said they plan to make them playable, and i plan to rule the world : P  (how are you going to walk, i want to know)

 

people who support Natal previously said that Wii is just for party/sports games and is family console, and until now that's what MS has shown about Natal, and say i don't understand how this cowturn/sudden change, probably because it's MS and they want MS to win Nintendo, and i mean most gamers

also, most gamers were sure 1 year ago that GTA IV would kill the Wii, how is that not hate!?

@Ironman: I think you're swallowing it all a little bit too easilly. Natal is to Eyetoy what WM+ is to Wii Remote. The system Sony has, then again, largely seems to fix the problems Natal has. The problem with Natal, which is what limits it, is the lack of input. For games like Wii Fit and Wii Sports, to an extent, Natal seems like a working solution. But for the games people bought their 360 for, not so much. I can see M$ making Natal compatiple with COD and Halo by adding an extra input device.

dark_gh0st_b0y said: ironman said: dark_gh0st_b0y said: i think Natal is very limited, and if was announced by Nintendo most people would see it as another family game/concept i don't understand how Natal possibilities are endless, what exactly can you play with it!? ok, there are some great things like on-rails shooter with fighting elements would rule : P a swordplay, a fitness game, sports games and party games sports games like running won't be favored by Natal, so Wii has sports as well, fitness is ok i guess i a bit favored by Natal, a swordplay game is just limited to sword or karate, nothing more, you can't even walk, it will be cool but will get boring pretty fast what are the other possibilities, it does not even have one button, do you realize what that means, you can't do a lot of things, not even move character let's think of the best games, Halo could work with Natal, how? a fighter like street fighter or ssbb would work? Mario Kart, how are going to throw shells and stuff, Mario Galaxy, Assasin's Creed, any RPG?? i think it's very limited for gamers at least i see that Natal is great, but i cannot understand why most core-gamers like it, from the point they hated Wii remote and WM+ i don't see how you can be impressed by this when is mostly sports and party games (which is what MS wants, casuals), and this is why you hate Wii, , and now you support this because it's not Nintendo.... : ( Wow, really? When did I ever say I hated the Wii? Did I not say that I thought their Wiimote was innovative and cool when it first came out? Did I not say that if MS created the Wiimote+ I would be very unimpressed. Did I not also say that if Nintendo came out with NATAL I would have been just as impressed with it? You sir, owe me an apology. I do not hate the Wii, It just isn't my cup of tea. Just because you hate anything MS (and it shows greatly) Does not mean that anybody who does not own your precious console is automatically a hater. Try reading my damn posts, I have answered EVERY SINGLE QUESTIOn you have asked. But since you seem unable to fully comprehend what you see on your screen. Let me reiterate. (read it slowly and let it sink in before you decide to post more bullshit) Buttons: you don't need buttons. If you want to jump in the game, just jump in real life, you wanna reload, make the motion that you are reloading your weapon in real life, you wanna change weapons, just tell NATAL which weapon you want. MS has said that they plan to make Halo and COD playable on NATAL.  You obviously cannot comprehend how NATAL can and will work with games of all types, therefore, I expect I will have to post all this a third time, just like I had to do in the two other threads. You people can be dense sometimes. Now, NEVER, EVER, EVER, accuse me of hating a console again, do you understand? it's very easy to say if and i would, but maybe it's truth, i don't know i don't hate MS at all, i said i would buy an Xbox360 if they could make on-rails FPS with fighting in it, but there's no way i would give up the Wii for it and it's you that cannot read, i said most-gamers,i mean more than 50%,  i haven't said you hate Wii for god's sake   so, you like Natal because you believe it can be used for every game, even Halo and Call of Duty, that's cool although i don't see how but anyway what i believe is that a lot of games won't be the same without buttons, and i don't like the idea of walking on place if that's what they want they said they plan to make them playable, and i plan to rule the world : P  (how are you going to walk, i want to know)   people who support Natal previously said that Wii is just for party/sports games and is family console, and until now that's what MS has shown about Natal, and say i don't don't understand how this cowturn, probably because it's MS and they want MS to win Nintendo, and i mean most gamers also, most gamers were sure 1 year ago that GTA IV would kill the Wii, how is that not hate!?

You didn't say I hated the Wii? I highlighted it in orange, you did. Also, you said I loved NATAL because it wasn't Wii, which I had said in an earlier post that I would have been impressed with NATAL even if it were a Wii thing. Also, I have already stated how you could play FPS, Twice. Do I really need to say it a third time?  I already explained how you would walk, twice. and I already told you about MS plans for certain NATAL games, twice. NATAL is not just for party/sports/fitness games. It will work for all genres, MS already has shown their intent to do so. 

Also, I am not most gamer, nor was I here a year ago, nor do I wish death upon any console. 

bdbdbd said: @Ironman: I think you're swallowing it all a little bit too easilly. Natal is to Eyetoy what WM+ is to Wii Remote. The system Sony has, then again, largely seems to fix the problems Natal has. The problem with Natal, which is what limits it, is the lack of input. For games like Wii Fit and Wii Sports, to an extent, Natal seems like a working solution. But for the games people bought their 360 for, not so much. I can see M$ making Natal compatiple with COD and Halo by adding an extra input device.

that's true

i don't see how Natal alone can work for every game

dark_gh0st_b0y said: bdbdbd said: @Ironman: I think you're swallowing it all a little bit too easilly. Natal is to Eyetoy what WM+ is to Wii Remote. The system Sony has, then again, largely seems to fix the problems Natal has. The problem with Natal, which is what limits it, is the lack of input. For games like Wii Fit and Wii Sports, to an extent, Natal seems like a working solution. But for the games people bought their 360 for, not so much. I can see M$ making Natal compatiple with COD and Halo by adding an extra input device. that's true i don't see how Natal alone can work for every game

Are you blind? Do you know how to read? Try reading my posts. I outlined how it could be used, twice. Plain and simple. 

ironman said: TX109 said: ironman said: TX109 said: ironman said: dark_gh0st_b0y said: ironman said: Wow, media hate? You Wii boys need to stop crying about how you are the victims of hate. The media praises your consoles innovations just as much as other consoles. Just because you don't get the amount of positive coverage you think you deserve, does not mean the media is biased. The Wii already maxed out it's media potential when it brought motion control to the table. Why would the Media want to rehash the same old thing with slight improvements, when they could get more vewership off of something entirely different and new? Wii doesn't have games for hardcore gamers, they have Mario, Zelda, and Wii fit. Not Killzone2, Halo3, GT5, or Forza 3. They aren't even a HiDef console. With that having been said, what if MS had released Wiimote+ and Nintendo had shown NATAL this E3? Would the hyp be the same? contend it would. People would have looked at the MS version of Wiimote+ and said, oh how cute, they are trying to copy the Wii. But if they saw Nintendo's version of NATAL, they would have sung it's praises because it is more innovative than anything they had come up with to date. I too would have been very impressed with it, and very unimpressed with MS Wiimote+ (after all, if I wanted to use a Wii mote, I would go out and buy a Wii) media show same attention to Wii, are you serious!? gamespot is an example, it's like Wii does not even exist for them (or gaming magazines and this stuff) it's a matter of opinion what you like, but Natal is so limited, most activities you don't even neeed Natal to do them at all, the only thing you could need Natal for is swordplay and karate or an on-rails shooter let's say but that can happen on WM+ as well, where you cannot use kicks let's say but you can more character and you do more things than just use a sword for example, i can't see how Natal is even close to WM+ but hey, Natal is from MS which has Xbox360 which has great graphics and mature games where WM+ is coming from the kiddy console that has shit graphics and company that is parasite to core gaming and makes un-interesting games even if they are rated 9.7 and sell 10 millions, so it's convinient to hate them, correct? : P For the most part I agree with that statement! But, then again, to each their own. However, one thing I disagree with is your silly "Natal is so limited" argument. That is simply not true. NATAL is so unlimited it's not even funny, you don't have to work within the confines of a silly waggle remote. You have 3D full body motion sensing, and voice regonition. Two things the Wii mote can't do.   NATAL is very limited. 3D full body motion sensing and voice recognititon are great, but what are you going to do with it? its not my idea of fun to jog in place to run and say "bang, bang" to shoot while playing an fps or a tps. what about platformers, how do you move or jump?. all NATAL is a more sophisticated eye toy. there, i said it. You just contradicted yourself. With NATAL the possibilities are endless, with Wiimote, well, it can only track your hand, not your full body, so the possibilites are not so endless. I really don't care if you don't want to jump and move around, just don't buy NATAL. I believe that NATAL is going to immerse you more into the game than any other system. Also, let it be known, MS intends to make all games that work with NATAL work with the origional controller as well. I bet if this was a Wii thing, you would be singing it's praises right now.  can you point out where i contridicted myself?  the possibilities are pretty limited without the controller. like i said, how will you run around in say, a platformer or an fps. all i can see it being is an eye toy with better graphics. and if it were on the wii you would be calling it crap right now.   If NATAL were on the Wii, I would be just as impressed. Much like I was when the Wii mote came out, I thought it was quite innovative at the time. I highlighted the portion where you contradicted yourself, I really don't think anybody (short of an idiot) can say that 3D,  fullbody motion sensing , and voice recognition are as limiting, as having a controller in your hand that has no voice recognition, and only tracks your hand. Also, do a little reasearch on what an eyetoy is and how it works. The eyetoy is a joke compaired to NATAL.  Now, I know I will probably have to spoon feed this to you guys a couple of times (much like I  had to do in two other threads) but I'm patient, and you will learn eventually. I'm not sure what a platform game is, but I do know what a FPS is, so I can tell you how NATAL would work. First off, lets adress buttons, who needs em? Nobody who has NATAL, if you had to hit a button to jump, well now you actually jump. You want to reload your gun, act like you are reloading it. You want to switch weapons? Say so! You want to strafte right or left, just do it. you wanna crouchwalk, do it. you wanna fire? Either pretend to pull a trigger, or say fire (this one obviously is something that has no dead set solution right now) you wanna take cover behind that concrete barrier, crouch and say "cover" The possibilities are endless. Now, here is another little nugget, MS is planning to make Halo and COD playable with Natal. Putting a wand or any kind of controller with NATAL would defeat the ad campaign (you are the controller). MS is going to make sure all games for NATAL also can be played with the origional 360 controller.

This is exactly why I feel Natal will be a disaster. Your already thinking of UNLIMITED possibilities when infact there a limitations. The biggest being SPACE. I don't know you, but my living room has a VERY SMALL space. So all that movement we saw on stage at E3 by that girl simply would nto be possible in most peoples homes. The Wii Remote has the same problem, all developers thought they MUST use motion waggle controls and alot of games have been ruined because of it. Sometimes less is more.I think Natal will be better off if people did consider it having limitations, that way they can use it more smartly. You said "switch weapons say so, crouch say cover etc.." honestly who really wants to be talking out loud all these commands? To me that will feel like a war manager game (like the football manager game, where you don't play but manage players lol) instead of interactive game I am playing in as a character.I would feel like I am commanding a soldier to do things not me doing them in simplest terms.

 

ironman said: dark_gh0st_b0y said: bdbdbd said: @Ironman: I think you're swallowing it all a little bit too easilly. Natal is to Eyetoy what WM+ is to Wii Remote. The system Sony has, then again, largely seems to fix the problems Natal has. The problem with Natal, which is what limits it, is the lack of input. For games like Wii Fit and Wii Sports, to an extent, Natal seems like a working solution. But for the games people bought their 360 for, not so much. I can see M$ making Natal compatiple with COD and Halo by adding an extra input device. that's true i don't see how Natal alone can work for every game Are you blind? Do you know how to read? Try reading my posts. I outlined how it could be used, twice. Plain and simple.

about the one you underlined in orange, when i said "you" i was not adressing to you!! i was like speaking to gamers, generally, not you

i'm sorry but i have not the petience to read all that thing, i understand you jump and speak to change weapon, please repeat, how do you walk?