Their innovation is actually releasing a game.

I guess Forza 3 is 10 times more polygons than Forza 2 is really true after reading his claim.

You forgot that Forza 3 have a released date while GT5 doesn't.

Dan's statement might be bold, but I agree with him, GT5 could used a lot of innovations and this competition between the two is awesome just like all the smacktalk between race car team.

If you think his comment is pretty arrogant then then the head of GT5 comments was also up there.  It's not 60fps it's not a game.  WTF, there are plenty of racer that run 30FPS and are a lot more fun as a game than GT5P.

Well compare to last GT game (including Prologue) it have a better on-line , better community support (check out T10 site for photo contest), awesome photomode, liveries edition, car auction house not to mention thing like damage, tire physics.

There were thing in Forza 2 that were crap like career mode that pretty much copy of Forza 1 and GT and from what I read Forza 3 will have a real robust career path. It look like they borrow a lot of stuff from PGR team (another great game that pretty much got ignore by so many), the race calendar sound like a real cool feature where you get schedule of events to compete (PGR does that to the extends) but it sound like it would now incorporate any DLC and cars into the mix (hope this is true because Forza 2 DLC track implementation was just pure suck).  I wish they would implements also GRID style of sponsorship.  In Forza 2 sponsor ship was pretty lame where you just get discount, GRID sponsor was probaby some of the best too bad the car in that game drive like you are on a sheet of ice. 

Anyway, seems pretty innovate.  I just put in GT4 (yes four) the other day just to play around, the interface is awesome (better than Forza 1) and very classy just like GT5P but the license test crap was just so boring.  If GT5 doesn't bring new way to race then ...

Sorry, but historically, the last two GT games both reviewed LOWER than the last two Forza games.

Also, real mature claiming I'm annoying just because I refuted your assertions, very accurately I might add. In fact, pretty much every posts I've made in this thread has been awesome. I'm sure it would annoy people who disagree with me.

I'll accept that reasoning if you agree that it applies to GT as well. Either way, GT4, and GT5:P were neither game AAA.

Are they AAA, sir, by the standard definition, or would you like to move the AAA goalposts a little to conform to your opinion of the GT series?

Forza 3 supposedly has 800,000 polys per unit average compared to GT5:Ps 200k poly count. That is just what Gaf says. Supposedly they picked it up from the MS booth. Do some research and tell us what you find out.

That still seems impossible. Especially considering GT5P just edges out FM3's car models and FM3 has an insane amount of environmental detail.

I know PGR4 has like 100k each. There's no way Forza 2 was close to that when it looked like ass and didn't even have a cockpit view.

Don't you think 4 x the polgyon count would give Forza cars a clear visual advantage ? which they don't because GT cars have the advantage. It takes 1 month in man hours to make a single car in GT .... Forza cars do not have more polgyongs than GT cars and even if they did it's in vain because GT still outdoes it.

And I heard that Forza cars actualy had 1 million polygons , and you XBOX fans just decreasing it by 200,000 everytime some one prooves how ridiculous that is . And without a proper source you can't be really sure of it's polygon count.

Well, most people on GAF say that Forza 3's car models are superior to GT5P, but of course, it is still highly debated, and all opinion. Once again, comparing these games isn't about graphics, that is missing the point. There really is and never shall be a clear winner, with graphics at this level. What is not debatable is the fact that FM3 has far more polys than GT5:P....if it is true that is. It is either a fact or it isn't. I'm not sure, but it is a very plausable story that I have heard repeated many times, so if you are that worried about it, just do a google search.

FM2 didn't look like ass, btw. It just isn't anywhere near these two games. GT4, also now, looks like ass, but when it came out, it wasn't too bad.