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kanariya on 06 June 2009
ironman said:

Ah yes, the old 'microsoft is arrogant" ploy. I contend that micrsoft is just confident, as is the 10 turn dude. They are comfindant and proud of what they have made. And they should be, a game that closely matches (if not surpasses) the biggest racing sim of this generation. With less money I should add. That my friends, is brag worthy.

@Leonidis, so, if polyphony just works on graphics, and doesn't try to improve game play, you are saying that is ok? Well, have fun with that, when your game gets left in the dust by a game with comparable graphics, but a better, more realistic, more cusomizable game play, don't come crying to me.

 

Confidence doesn't mean you go out to trash your competition.

MS said iPhone is ridiculous, look how it's the #1 selling phone now?
MS dismisses Android, look how Android is starting to take the market share, from mobile phone to netbook?
MS said Google search sucks, let's see how their Bing will end up to?

MS is spending 80 millions on maketing to tell people Google search sucks, and the solution is here, that's Bing.
IMO, Bing is nothing but a bad copy of Google search.

 



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ironman on 06 June 2009

MS is just trying to downplay those items. Have they come up with a solution for iPhone, or Android? No, so those are irrelevant. They have, however, come up with several innovating products which they will tote, they would be stupid not to. Also, I don't believe this guy was "trashing" GT5, he was just confident that his product is better, there is nothing wrong with that. I find your MS hating repulsive and very biased.



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psrock on 06 June 2009

How can we have this discussion when we barely know anything about GT5 yet. All I have seen so far are short trailers.

And I was never such a big fan of GT anyway, I played Forza once, it was very good. But, can we wait until this game is shown, GT is known for looking Amazing, I DOUBT forza 3 will even come close.



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Staude on 06 June 2009
ZenfoldorVGI said:
--OkeyDokey-- said:
ZenfoldorVGI said:
--OkeyDokey-- said:
Also, where is everyone getting this BS about 1 million polys per car in Forza 3?

I know someone said they have ten times the amount as in Forza 2, but that would mean Forza 2 had 100k per car, which is just LOL.

Forza 3 supposedly has 800,000 polys per unit average compared to GT5:Ps 200k poly count. That is just what Gaf says. Supposedly they picked it up from the MS booth. Do so research and tell us what you find out.

That still seems impossible. Especially considering GT5P just edges out FM3's car models and FM3 has an insane amount of environmental detail.

I know PGR4 has like 100k each. There's no way Forza 2 was close to that when it looked like ass and didn't even have a cockpit view.

Well, most people on GAF say that Forza 3's car models are superior to GT5P, but of course, it is still highly debated, and all opinion. Once again, comparing these games isn't about graphics, that is missing the point. There really is and never shall be a clear winner, with graphics at this level. What is not debatable is the fact that FM3 has far more polys than GT5:P....if it is true that is. It is either a fact or it isn't. I'm not sure, but it is a very plausable story that I have heard repeated many times, so if you are that worried about it, just do a google search.

FM2 didn't look like ass, btw. It just isn't anywhere near these two games. GT4, also now, looks like ass, but when it came out, it wasn't too bad.

Zenfolder. Meet my box.

I just made this box in 3ds max for my example. As you can see it has 480.000 polygons. But even so. It's still a box.

It's not more detailed than a box with a few polygons.. however, it will make my laptop lag to hell if i throw this ingame.

 

It's not just about polygon count. It's also about optimisation of your polygon usage. I guess that's my point.



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kanariya on 06 June 2009
ironman said:
MS is just trying to downplay those items. Have they come up with a solution for iPhone, or Android? No, so those are irrelevant. They have, however, come up with several innovating products which they will tote, they would be stupid not to. Also, I don't believe this guy was "trashing" GT5, he was just confident that his product is better, there is nothing wrong with that. I find your MS hating repulsive and very biased.

 

They have the Windows Mobile if you don't know.

I was one of the victims of Windows Mobile 6-6.5, it's plain horrible.

Steve Ballmer was actually trash talking the iphone while praising their WM platform which is a disaster.

 

They trash talked Google search, but I found Bing doesn't have anything better than google.



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leo-j on 06 June 2009

where are the mods..



 

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Slimebeast on 06 June 2009

GT5 - nice graphics but not spectacular:

Forza 3 - fantastic details and breathtaking reflections:

 

I agree with Turn10, no racing game competes with Forza 3.



RPG on 06 June 2009

But of course, it is the DEFINITIVE racing game of this generation. I mean GT5 does not even have the customizable options of adding the picture of Barbie unlike Forza 3, it has already failed without both releasing. Forza 3 even has less cars on the track at once compared to GT5:P, no WRC or Nascar so the DEFINITIVE racing sim of this generation will obviously not have any cometition with crap like GT5.

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Mistershine on 06 June 2009
kanariya said:
Mistershine said:
tombi123 said:

http://www.gametrailers.com/video/e3-09-forza-motorsport/50004 

If we are talking about realism, take a look at that video. Watch at 25 seconds, a car goes into reverse for 2 seconds without loosing any speed at all. And then at 47 seconds were a car does a 720 degree spin between two cars. I think the developers have gone for a more arcadey style compared to Forza 2.

Neutral?

And the driving in the video is team Blackjack, if you google for them you caan find FM2 videos with similar driving.

 

IRL, if you switch into reverse at such high speed with a production car. Your gear box is immediately trashed, let alone performing these stunts.

 

The only way you can do that without trashing your gear box is to lock the wheel while the spin, then switch to reverse gear while the wheel is still locked. Essentially this puts the car into 0 mph but the car is still sliding a 180 turn.

Anytime you switch into reverse while the car is moving, you're gonna heard some loud nasty GRRR noise and your gearbox is most likely trashed.

 

Seeing that video, with a production car at such high speed. you have to show me a real life video to tell me that is possible.


Do you know what neutral is? Or how to use a clutch? You dont have to use reverse to make the car go backwards, at that speed inertia will carry it along nicely.

 



ironman on 06 June 2009
kanariya said:
ironman said:
MS is just trying to downplay those items. Have they come up with a solution for iPhone, or Android? No, so those are irrelevant. They have, however, come up with several innovating products which they will tote, they would be stupid not to. Also, I don't believe this guy was "trashing" GT5, he was just confident that his product is better, there is nothing wrong with that. I find your MS hating repulsive and very biased.

 

They have the Windows Mobile if you don't know.

I was one of the victims of Windows Mobile 6-6.5, it's plain horrible.

Steve Ballmer was actually trash talking the iphone while praising their WM platform which is a disaster.

 

They trash talked Google search, but I found Bing doesn't have anything better than google.

Ah, that explains it. You got burned. 



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