I wouldn't say a Wii killer... but if it's the standard imput for next gen Microsoft system... we may have a new market leader.

1:1 motion control is not here yet, Wii-remote is not 100% efficient, and even if it wasn't perfect, Ninendo used it to change gaming patterns, made Metroid, Zelda, Galaxy and Mario kart AAA games and sold 50m Wii's if that's not enough

when 1:1 arrives, Nintendo has Zelda for us, which will probably use 1:1 sword, same for ResSteel 2, RPG also coming and it's DQX and MH3... but i have to agree a 1:1 sword RPG would be great, and i believe it's coming some time, WM+ is not even out and there are so many games coming...

1:1 is almost here, and the possibilites are much more than Natal... where you cannot even move your character (huge disadvantage)

btw, Nintendo would be stupid to give everything for gamers, where 70% of gamers have shown so much hate when Nintendo firstly announced Wii

How do we even know that you can't move a character in NATAL?

I mean...You could always do this thing called 'walking in place' to move your character.

Do we have any media from MH3 and DQX that show that you'll actually be swinging a sword to attack characters in either game, or are you merely basing this on opinion?

My point is that we're almost 3 years into the Wii's life cycle, and there are only a minute handful of games to be released that use the WiiMote in any sort of relevant fashion to a more hardcore fashion involving wars, fantasy, or other topics that have been on the 360/PS3 for years.

Just from my perspective, but I'd rather take a motion-activated Mass Effect, Oblivion, Fallout or Kingdom Under Fire over a Dragon Quest at this point in time...Especially given the Wii's penchant for a lack of gritty, mature titles.

walk in place? well, it's taste i guess, personally i wouldn't like it

do you remember Soul Calibur Legends!? the s 1st fighter that got to RPG for Wii, supposed to have sword-fighting, this is where i realised how far Wii-remote is from perfect motion control, and that title failed because Wii Remote wasn't accurate enough (was waggle basically), and it was the time mature titles start to fail on Wii and party titles start to sell

a SoulCalibur Legends 2 with WM+ would now sell it's millions i believe

i agree with that, although we have some and they are great games, most from Nintendo, developers prefered to choose the Ps3/Xbox360 road for Assasin's Creed, Re5 and this kind of great titles, watching first the graphics and then the rest..... so Nintendo can't do the mature titles job alone

LoL, we are out of topic i think, but what i say is that if you take into account the inaccuracy of Wii-remote (which did not allowed RPG with sword motion control) and the weak for the time graphics, Nintendo did everything possible with the Wii-remote

Nintendo is simply a lot different from MS/Sony, and it's not simple to copy Nintendo, it's like a cowturn

its going to be great, wii owners are just jealous and think thats microsoft is copying off Milktendo

I really doubt Natal will be out until the 720. I hope I'm proved wrong, though.

Huge holes in this argument.

The possibilities and potential of Natal, if it works correctly, are far greater then any gaming or multimedia console could have ever hoped to have achieved. I don't think you understand that Microsoft will obviously see how Natal limits player movement in some games so much that normally they would be unplayable. Like FPS games or adventure games.

Nobody in their right mind should expect MS to force us to play using ONLY our bodies with THOSE kinds of games. Don't forget that support for wireless is still built into the Xbox 360, so should Microsoft add in a single analog controller, that would fix half the problems associated with these kinds of games. Even then, they could add a button or two on top of the single analog controller, still making it the most simple controller ever used in a game system.

Going back to the potential for Natal, with only a few simple buttons, or even no buttons at all, there isn't a single game type or genre that couldn't be played in some way innovatively or the same as in past consoles. Even after every game genre, Natal could be used for far more then gaming; hell, it could even be used in buissness practices, powerpoint presentations, or any number of things involving interactivity or a massive touch screen.

The biggest hole in your argument is that your not taking into account that if  WE understand the potential limitations with Natal, so do they. And I doubt they are going to make us play EVERY game type without using a peripheral.

If Natal is a way to reach the values of the broad market then AWESOME. If it does though it will be one of those things that MS just lucks on. Gratz non the less.

Honestly I don't think we will now how it will pan out until the mass media starts getting their hands on it.

A MS employee has already confirmed that Natal games can and will use controllers along with the motion sensor. Hell, they said that one person could be using a controller while the other person is using Natal. It is completely up to developers as to what they want to use. In fact since Natal has its own processor, there is a 0% decrease in performance when using it. Developers can use it just like any other input device.

hatmoza 2.0 said: Really! Media hyping up something Microsoft related! Thats unheard of.

Well if you own billions of dollars and own loads of media sites, and pay the rest, magic can happen.

Sadly Nintendo and to some degree Sony need to learn to bribe the media too.

Even EA are good at it with their fake protest lol. Which shot them in the arse in the end haha.