below 40% though, is that even a valid result?

surely, with turnout that low, there needs to be a serious review of UK politics now, no party can claim to be the peoples choice with turnout that low, to do so is wrong, as twice as many people didnt vote than voted for the most popular party

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im not disagreeing, im just curios as to what experiences you think they need to have had before becoming politicians?

I doubt the outcome would have been any different if 100% of people had voted. Maybe BNP would get a few more votes but Conservatives would have for sure won my a vast majority.  Labour and the Lb Dems proabably wouldnt be anywhere near the tories. And anyway, if people cant be bothered to vote then why should be care? They obviously are stupid or just lazy.

In general, they don't differ much. None of the three main parties are willing to have radically different policies or ideas.

However I would like a government that doesn't change anything (because they always get it wrong) and spends its term just reducing wasteful spending and paying off the national debt. Every system is broken in some way, but what we need is LESS policy not more.

I have no idea who I'll support. On the one hand Labour has totally fucked up in the current situation and quite frankly i think they derserve all their getting at the moment but I simply can't stand the Conservatives and I belive they'll just make the situation worse. I'm more drawn to the Lib Dem's but they're an inexperienced party and I wouldn't feel comfortable with them in power in such a climate, still better than the Green party who are not only inexperienced but have gone so far to the left they've curved back around to end up even more right-wing than the Tories.

Better Funding for the NHS
1998 Human Rights Act

they are probably more, but i cant remember off-hand

imo, Labour's failure of the last 12 years is lying to the nation and introducing more Authoritarian and Capitalist policys, both have been bad for the nation as a whole, what many people forget is that people in the UK arent rich, the average income is only 22k a year, sadly, too many only listen to/read whats in the right wing media.

Brown has seen the error of his ways to an extent in this crisis, he has atleast gone back to old Labour policys to help us through it, which is good as i think what hes doing on the economy is ALOT better than anything i hear from Cameron.

by the way, without at least some socialism, we wouldnt have the NHS or State Education, im not getting into a long debate atm, but i firmly believe in thoose things at least.

LOTS of this.

I agree funding has increased; I don't think it's improved the quality of the service at all. Look at GPs - with the new pay deal under Labour they get paid much more, but work many fewer hours (they don't have to work out-of-hours or weekends).

It may be an anecdote, but my surgery is open Mon-Fri afternoons only except closed all Wednesday, and no weekends or out-of-hours. Nearest out-of-hours care (and that includes Wednesdays) is about half an hour away and is always ovecrowded and understaffed. So many just flood A&E depts. for minor problems.

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The only thing that Labour did right was Northern Ireland. And even that was more to luck and a change in NI's culture than deliberate policy.

id rather have an inexperienced left wing government than a right wing one with lots of experience.

also, how are the Green party right wing?

basically imo, its like this, my views are more Liberal than the Lib Dems, but not quite as radical as the Greens, UKIP/BNP are vile, i consider both to be disgusting. Labour are improving economically due to the reccesion, but are still to authoritarian socially for my liking, the Conservatives are doing a Blair, using spin and rhetoric to sound better than Labour, when many of there actual policys are worse than Labour's.

true, but the NHS under Labour has been MUCH, MUCH better than under the Conservatives

im sorry that you dont like Human Rights, personally, i do, and btw, thats one reason why we should stay in the EU, the European Court of Human Rights

I put this in a different thread but im still trying to work out how UKIP are vile. Unfair hate without any reasoning i say. Highwaystar doesnt like UKIP either, but i didnt get the feeling he thought they were vile.


Here are a few policies from their website.

We will re-embrace today’s fast-growing Commonwealth and we will encourage UK manufacturing so that we make things again.

We will freeze immigration for five years, speed up deportation of up to a million illegal immigrants by tripling the numbers engaged in deportations, and have ‘no home no visa’ work permits to ease the housing crisis.

We will give people the vote on policing priorities

We will scrap Inheritance Tax

We will support our armed forces with more spending on equipment, military homes and medical care. We will save our threatened warships and add 25,000 more troops.

Do you have any problems with any of these? I know alot of people think there ban immigration for 5 years is considered racist by some but it in my opinion its certainly isnt.

They have traditionally supported policies and i see them as very achievable and popular.

They want to pull out of the EU as it is consting the British taxpayer 40 million £ per day.