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Naraku_Diabolos on 04 June 2009
darthdevidem01 said:
Lets have a FF13 fans CLAN & a FF Versus 13 FANS CLAN!

Since Square-Enix is taking stuff from FFXI, it would be Linkshells instead of clans (they are the same thing; Linkshells are little 'shells' an owner holds and they can pop out LinkPearls to distrute to people wanting to join them, and the owner can make a person from a regular pearl-holder to a PearlSack holder, who can kick people out of the LS, but the owner of the LS can kick out Pearl-holders and PearlSack holders).

Once the game is released, we (the forum members) can have our own VGChartz LS or whatever it maybe called. Wouldn't that be awesome?



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heruamon on 04 June 2009
Jordahn said:
heruamon said:
nightsurge said:
nightsurge said:
Xen said:
Free to play on PS3? aw fuck yeah! that takes care of a big obstacle for me.

F2P equals micro transactions. Want new armor? That'll be $.99. Want a new sword? $2.99 please. Want to buy a mount? $4.99 please.

Either way an MMO is costly, and in this scenario it can get even more costly because the amounts you pay are smaller, but add up quickly and you can lose track of how much you spent.

Also, this is kind of like Home. Free to get in, but customizing anything costs money.


better watchout...darth will report you as a troll for pointing out little facts like these...

Not when there are facts that back up an opinion.  There is NOTHING factual about your original post that backs up you personal accessment that F2P will be a detremental route for FFXIV...

"ROFLMAO...yeah, it definitely going to be exclusive then...Sony likes to lose money, so I see another failure in the works. F2P doesn't work...even with micro-transactions. Sony keeps ponying up more requirements on it's servers, and believe me...like I saw when they were giving away ps3 in early 2007...this is going to get them in a hole that they can't dig out of."

Any facts to back up your statemnet that cannot be counter argued by the actual facts that have already been presented?

If F2P works so well...why has SOE moved all of it's game onto that model?  And Blizzard reported the cost model for WoW...using that, with Sony trying to maintian...how many F2P projects now...Home, Free Realms, FF 14???  my question is simple...HOW WILL YOU PAY FOR IT?



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ssj12 on 04 June 2009

I'll take the subscription based PC version, thank you very much.



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heruamon on 04 June 2009
ssj12 said:
I'll take the subscription based PC version, thank you very much.


My sentiments exactly...I don't have a problem paying for a MMO, if it is worth it.  I've tried F2P, and I don't like them, and evidently, since I've yet to see any challenge WoW, or any of the other pay for play MMOs, I'll stick with my assestment that F2P = not top tier quality.  Now, if FF14 is going to be like GW...that's a different story...and it's certianly not going to be anything like FF11.



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Million on 04 June 2009
heruamon said:
Jordahn said:
heruamon said:
nightsurge said:
nightsurge said:
Xen said:
Free to play on PS3? aw fuck yeah! that takes care of a big obstacle for me.

F2P equals micro transactions. Want new armor? That'll be $.99. Want a new sword? $2.99 please. Want to buy a mount? $4.99 please.

Either way an MMO is costly, and in this scenario it can get even more costly because the amounts you pay are smaller, but add up quickly and you can lose track of how much you spent.

Also, this is kind of like Home. Free to get in, but customizing anything costs money.


better watchout...darth will report you as a troll for pointing out little facts like these...

Not when there are facts that back up an opinion.  There is NOTHING factual about your original post that backs up you personal accessment that F2P will be a detremental route for FFXIV...

"ROFLMAO...yeah, it definitely going to be exclusive then...Sony likes to lose money, so I see another failure in the works. F2P doesn't work...even with micro-transactions. Sony keeps ponying up more requirements on it's servers, and believe me...like I saw when they were giving away ps3 in early 2007...this is going to get them in a hole that they can't dig out of."

Any facts to back up your statemnet that cannot be counter argued by the actual facts that have already been presented?

If F2P works so well...why has SOE moved all of it's game onto that model?  And Blizzard reported the cost model for WoW...using that, with Sony trying to maintian...how many F2P projects now...Home, Free Realms, FF 14???  my question is simple...HOW WILL YOU PAY FOR IT?

 

F2P won't neccaserily work in all gaming enviorments , some are more suited to the payment system than others. On consoles where gamers are generaly used to not paying monthly subscriptions to play a particular game(well PS3 & Wii owners at least) it would seem more appropriate to have a F2P system funded through microtransactions and advertising.


Just because the most succesful MMORPG uses a subscription based payment system it doesn't mean that an MMORPG can't make a healthy profit using another payment system. Please dude FFS use your brain "F2P" does not mean that there is no money being generated from the players, all F2P means is that there is no obligatory cost involved in playing the game , the player might still have to pay for superior , clothing , services etc (we call this microtransactions) this is where the bulk of the gmas revenue will be generated from , yes "REVENUE" .

REVENUE(Microtransactions/Advertisements) - SERVER COSTS/MAINTANENCE/UPDATES = PROFIT . If you don't understand that then it is clearly a waste of time discussing this with you.




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Jordahn on 04 June 2009
heruamon said:
Jordahn said:
heruamon said:
nightsurge said:
nightsurge said:
Xen said:
Free to play on PS3? aw fuck yeah! that takes care of a big obstacle for me.

F2P equals micro transactions. Want new armor? That'll be $.99. Want a new sword? $2.99 please. Want to buy a mount? $4.99 please.

Either way an MMO is costly, and in this scenario it can get even more costly because the amounts you pay are smaller, but add up quickly and you can lose track of how much you spent.

Also, this is kind of like Home. Free to get in, but customizing anything costs money.


better watchout...darth will report you as a troll for pointing out little facts like these...

Not when there are facts that back up an opinion. There is NOTHING factual about your original post that backs up you personal accessment that F2P will be a detremental route for FFXIV...

"ROFLMAO...yeah, it definitely going to be exclusive then...Sony likes to lose money, so I see another failure in the works. F2P doesn't work...even with micro-transactions. Sony keeps ponying up more requirements on it's servers, and believe me...like I saw when they were giving away ps3 in early 2007...this is going to get them in a hole that they can't dig out of."

Any facts to back up your statemnet that cannot be counter argued by the actual facts that have already been presented?

If F2P works so well...why has SOE moved all of it's game onto that model? And Blizzard reported the cost model for WoW...using that, with Sony trying to maintian...how many F2P projects now...Home, Free Realms, FF 14??? my question is simple...HOW WILL YOU PAY FOR IT?

"Sony likes to lose money, so I see another failure in the works." -That was an uncalled for jab/trolling.

"F2P doesn't work...even with micro-transactions." -Is that a fact, or an opinionate POV to fuel a trolling agenda?

"Sony keeps ponying up more requirements on it's servers..." -So. All MMO games have this requirement. And it's not a bad thing when you have yet to prove that this is bad for SONY.

"and believe me...like I saw when they were giving away ps3 in early 2007..." -What does this two year old action has anything to do with FFXIV??? Does it have anything to do with Wii's and 360's also being given away? Those things happen, too, ya know?

"this is going to get them in a hole that they can't dig out of." -Is this a fact or an assessment? If it's an assessment, could you please provide some facts to back it up? But maybe you have a point. SONY continues to pump out quality 1st and 2nd party games, and 3rd parties are still heavily supporting the PS3 with multi-platform and exclusive offerings. Maybe SONY is in such a financial pickle that it doesn't matter how badly they manage their finances or get more in depth to make more quality games and to continue to attract other developers. Maybe...

Nightsurge had facts that were reasonably agreed upon. Anyone can tell that he wasn't trolling. What about your original post?

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TruckOSaurus on 04 June 2009

This game has gone from "Not getting it" to "Can't wait to play". This free-to-play thing better be true.



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Tbone on 04 June 2009

Lets just say im more interested in the game now :)



 

Zuhyc on 04 June 2009
TruckOSaurus said:
This game has gone from "Not getting it" to "Can't wait to play". This free-to-play thing better be true.

I can already smell the upcoming dissapointmen



Zezlar on 04 June 2009

Those are all opinions. Nothing is of truth or fact. Yesterday at the Q&A SE said the subscription fee is still TBA. Even on the site it is still TBA.

I can GURANTEE you SE will charge for this game, they don't do micro-transactions or they will be going against everything they did with FFXI.

On the site:

Unit Price: TBA
Subscription Fee: TBA

Where in anyway does that mean FREE?