Show me a Forza title with 800+ cars, Nascar automobiles, Nascar tracks, WSR, various other real life tracks, etc. all while being the most respected amongst car enthusiasts and motor companies around the world and then we can talk about how long something should take.

All I see is half the content in half the time. GT5 is just fine.

*note* Not saying Forza 3 will be a bad game, reviewers and such prove it is a quality title but it wouldn't matter if GT5 launched before, during or after Forza, it will sell better. It is the most respected for a reason. Car makers ask for their cars to be added in for a reason. Magazines, websites, etc... advertise it and praise it for a reason. PD is considered perfectionists in the racing sim genre for a reason.

this post euphoria failed from the start on so many levels you know?

GT Mobile(and every other GT game) - 800cars from which there will be maybe 150 original cars rest of them are copies of those cars with different stats, but pretty much te same body(different colours, stamps and so on though) something like cars in Ridge Racer. in GT4 you had more than 60 skylines.

Forza 3 - 400 different cars that you can tune both visual, instal different car and engine parts and tune them, tweak prettyymuch every part of them and so on.

Forza and GT were always typical track racing games and while Forza kept that and Turn10 is trying to keep moving forward and be better at it PD didn't do anything. GT1-4 were pretty much the same game with better graphics and now(i'm guessing) since they have competition
that just outperformed everything they've done to date they are going to add things that don't fit there only to write on the box that they have definitive racer cause they have offroad and nascar racing. if i want offroad racer i will buy Dirt 2 and if i want Nascar game i will buy one of the Nascar racing games cause they will certainly be deeper and better than GT in that department.

GT series was most "respected" because for a very long time it was the only racing sim on consoles and that respect is only a PR bullshit cause right now i can put here a link to official forza site when audi just done the same thing bout Forza 3.

if you think PD are perfectionists you should look what Turn 10 and Audi engineers done in Forza 3 on it's official site - they are pretty much years ahead with the features they implemented in this game(like tire deformation that have influence on handling and driving in Forza 3).

i'm not saying GT5 will be bad - it's just the fact that PD are trying to put in their game everything they see with half-assed attempt.

well there are 30.4 million 360's out there, i can say that there is a greater purchasing power on the 360 side than there is on the ps3. this is what i mean by un expected occurance. will i take the bet? sure why not, what happens afterwards, lol hopefully nothing too serious.