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FreeTalkLive on 03 June 2009

It looks worse to me so far but that may change. Maybe in a couple years Sony will release so cool games which show how cool the Sony wand is.



 

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Pyramid Head on 03 June 2009
Jaaau! said:
twesterm said:
Staude said:
ps3 comes with a dualshock so what ? mine came with 2 sixaxis and 2 games. That's unrelated to what you need to play. If were talking value that comes with the system the ps3 bundles comes with atleast equal to the wii.. And even more cause they don't need batteries.

Do you even read what people write?

What do you need that you don't already have for a WM+ game?

  • Wii Motion Plus accessory for every remote

What do you need that you don't already have for a Sony Wand game?

  • Two wands for every player
  • EyeToy

So lets say you have 4 players since that's the magic number for casual games, for the Wii, that's 4 WM+'s and for the PS3, that's 8 wands and one eye toy. 

See a diffence?

I don't give two craps about what came with your PS3 because that's not what I'm talking about, I'm just talking about assuming you have the base things you will need in addition to in order to play these games.

To be fair, you should mention for the Wii you will need 3 Wiimotes + 3 Nunchuck + 4 Motion Plus.  With this I am not disputing the PS3 owner needs to buy more stuff than the Wii owner, but the difference is not as huge as you say.

seeing as im about to be a 3 system user, i feel i have to mention the ps3 will more likely have online play, so you may only need the one set of wands eye toy anyway.

i love nintendo, and this gen im only motion controlling with them, but they need more online, then i wouldnt have my box of nunchuks, classic controllers, game cube controllers, wii wheels, and lightguns.  not that i dont love em, but i feel like i have a toy box by the tv again . . .

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Viper1 on 03 June 2009
JGarret said:
Viper, what did you think of the 3 big conferences?

I´m always curious to read what someone who knows people in the industry has to say.

None were bad this year thankfully.   Sony has the least number of surprises which really hampered their conference to me.  MS had a big surprise but the whole Milo demonstration was scripted and the lag is horrendous.  Nintendo could have done better (it was certainly better than last years) but their Mario Galaxy 2 bomb was the most unexpected of them all.

Sony and MS really pushed the 3rd party angle while Nintendo (as per usual) went in the opposite direction.  I tend to prefer the approach by Nintendo because I believe first party is the foundation upon which a console is built.   Though Sony has a bigger series of 1st party studios than Nintendo and MS combined, you'd never know it from their recent media briefing.

 

As I opened with though they all had a god showing and fans of their repsective consoles should be pleased.   Though I'm highly dissapointed in many Nintendo fans who are still chiding Nintendo even after Big N gave them a huge helping of core gamer pie.



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Staude on 03 June 2009
dcIKeeL said:
Staude said:
twesterm said:
Staude said:
ps3 comes with a dualshock so what ? mine came with 2 sixaxis and 2 games. That's unrelated to what you need to play. If were talking value that comes with the system the ps3 bundles comes with atleast equal to the wii.. And even more cause they don't need batteries.

Do you even read what people write?

What do you need that you don't already have for a WM+ game?

  • Wii Motion Plus accessory for every remote

What do you need that you don't already have for a Sony Wand game?

  • Two wands for every player
  • EyeToy

So lets say you have 4 players since that's the magic number for casual games, for the Wii, that's 4 WM+'s and for the PS3, that's 8 wands and one eye toy. 

See a diffence?

I don't give two craps about what came with your PS3 because that's not what I'm talking about, I'm just talking about assuming you have the base things you will need in addition to in order to play these games.

What do you expect ? this comes out later. Beisdes you don't know if you'll need too yet. Also the technology is different so it may be priced differently aswell. And it has glowing balls.

 

 

@dclkeel. They didn't The ps eye have been able to do this since it was launched.


I can't believe you mentioned that, pseye's voice and facial recognition tech is so raw and primitive they don't even try to use it. Except in games with preset voice commands. Gimme a break staude, you don't work for sony, no need for damage control now.

lol i'm not gonna argue with you again. Last time was a waste of time. I'll only say that the reason sony haven't done more with it is because so few has it.

 

If you've seen thers been collages where they've made some nifty software for it. For instance one where he would draw different things and it would regonise them by itself, apply physics and other properties (one thing was a space ship landing on lunar surface)

Anyways we'll see what happens in good time.



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Nick on 03 June 2009

But.... motion control is gimmicky. Are the HD "fanatics" are quitting gaming now?



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Viper1 on 03 June 2009
Nick said:
But.... motion control is gimmicky. Are the HD "fanatics" are quitting gaming now?

Of course not.  It's only gimmicky when Nintendo does it.



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shokenchi on 03 June 2009

ms and sony should wait till next gen. game is alraedy expensive to make on hd consoles so adding motion now gonna make it more for developers. and i dunno if their base would buy them since most self proclaimed hardcore gamers dont like motion controls or maybe they are just hyprocrites.



Nick on 03 June 2009
Viper1 said:
Nick said:
But.... motion control is gimmicky. Are the HD "fanatics" are quitting gaming now?

Of course not.  It's only gimmicky when Nintendo does it.

How very true.



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Magnific0 on 03 June 2009
twesterm said:
Magnific0 said:
twesterm said:

They're more or less the same thing. Sony tried to one up them by having two wands and the eye Toy, but that means instead of the Wii's one accessory per person you have to have two wands per person and one Eyetoy for everybody.

Also, the WM+ is coming out in a month or two while the PS Wands have more than a year and nothing but tech demo's that the WM+ is already doing in Wii Sports Resort for the most part.

It is blatantly obvious that Sony wants to cash in on Nintendo's parade (which there's nothing wrong with) and they are still in *very* early stages of the wands.  They don't even have the final look for them yet and the people demoing it didn't even have time to learn their own tech demos.

If this was happened 1-2 years ago, maybe or if they actually had a game to show off, maybe, or if it was coming out next month, maybe, but right now it's just too little too late.


late for what? (chuckle) It's not like soccer moms and kids will be in a hurry to buy a PS3 to play casual games anyway.

PS3 motion controller (as well as Natal) is just one more optional way of having fun with your console, it's not like Sony and MS are about to go 90% crappy casual games like Nintendo does.

For the too late comment, the Wii has already captured all the family friendly people and will have already had the WM+ in peoples hands for a year (I think it will be longer because I honestly don't believe we will see anything released for the wands by Spring 2010).

As I said, if they did this 1-2 years ago, great, otherwise, they're just trying to catch up to the Wii with something that isn't built into the system like the Wii is fully integrated (with the remotes at least). 

And yes, the wands are another option but accessories don't sell well unless they are well supported.

With the Wii, every Wii game (or nearly all) include motion support because their motion controller is part of the system.  WM+ is made to imrpove upon what's already there by having games that allow WM+ and games that are built for it.  There are already a good amount of games that are going to support WM+.

So what about the wands?  In order to use the wands, you must have two wands and an eyeToy so that's already one large barrier to entry but then how well will these be supported.  I bet there will be a Wii Sports like game and possibly one or two others, but then what after that?  Unless this thing actually gets supported it won't sell.

Accessories have a hard time selling unless they have a breakout hit.

The Wii remote has Wii Sports.  WM+ has Wii Sports Resort.  The Balance Board has Wii Fit.  The guitar controller has Guitar Hero.

What does the Eye Toy have?  Eye of Judgment?  How many games have been released that use the Eye Toy within the last year?  How many of those games, if any, actually made any kind of a splash?  That should be a pretty good indication of what people think of peripherals that aren't supported.

These wands aren't part of the PS3 like the Wii remotes and WM+ are, they are just another accessory.  Sony could release some sort of breakout hit but you don't generally count on miracles happening.

Way to go stating the obvious. At least obvious to me...But good tidbits for the casual gamer/reader I guess.



MaxwellGT2000 on 04 June 2009

From the tech demos there's more applications for the Wii Remote with M+, like FPS view in the wand demo was not precise at all while with the Wii remote its very tight. Other thing is the wand lacked analogs so no movement which rules out 90% of traditional games to be enhanced with motion controls. Finally if you compared the demo of bow and arrow from Sony and from Nintendo the Nintendo one looked MUCH more precise.



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