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legend92(3) said:
I'd have to agree with those rankings. there is a limit as to how much can be done just with a camera.

Natal isn't just a Camera...its a full body scanner and a voice recognition system.



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I must say natal is worlds ahead of the Wii and Sony. People are already making jokes about the terminator and Skynet because of it.



nightsurge said:
Hmmmmm... considering that Sony's controller does not allow a character to move whatsoever, and can only be used if you have or buy a PS Eye as well, and it only maps one single point of movement, it is in last place.

Natal can at least track your entire body, or multiple bodies, and interpret your voice or face for simple commands.

The WMP is definitely the current leader. I think Natal is targeting a different audience, though. If you paid attention to the conference, Natal is all about targeting the 60% of households that still do not have a games console. It is about making the games so incredibly fun and intuitive that even people who won't go near the Wii will give it a try. The Wii relies on a controller and buttons. Some people still find using the controller a difficult/confusing/intimidating task and are turned off by it. Trust me, I've seen people even suck at Wii type games and if you think these kinds of people don't exist, you are ignorant.

So, in reality for the current market WMP is the leader. For the new market, there will be 2 leaders. The Wii taking the ones who can and will use a controller, Natal taking those that still haven't gotten into gaming because of the roadblock that is the controller to them. Sony's attempt will be last because it can't even match the Wii since there is nothing on it that enables you to move your character, it requires the use of the dated tech that is the PS Eye, and only tracks one point (Wii tracks 2 points, Natal tracks whole body).

wow.. do you even know the tech in the PS Eye? The Natal is more advanced but the PS Eye can do everything the Natal can do just not in as grand of a scale which is why it needs something like Sony's wand.

I will straight up say the Natal vs PS Eye the Natal is a clear winner by a mile but if its PS Eye + Sony's wand then Natal is screwed.



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Stage, only to non tech savvy people would it seem that impressive, voice is done by software, any camera can scan full body, the difference is the tech in natal is high frame rate capture, not quiet as good as slow cam, but enough to capture general human movements fast enough with good precision at a higher resolution. all it is, is a pretty decent camera with a mic attached to it, rest is all software driven.



dahuman said:
ssj12 said:
dahuman said:
ssj12 said:
Keep_the_change said:

 

First place: goes obviously to wii motion plus since it is here already, revamping an experience Wii owners have since '06 when Sony and Microsoft weren't interested in fad gimmicks. It acts with 1:1 flawlessly accuracy.

 

Second place: Sony's purple wand. It acts with 1:1 flawlessly accuracy just like the WM+ but it requires a camera. Also, second hand attachment seems not to be available.

 

Third Place: Not in the same field as Sony and Nintendo Motion Control. Feels like a revamped Eye Toy, adds nothing really new in the gaming market. Project Milo was confirmed by IGN that the trailer shown was pure bullshit, unresponsive character that was just able to recognize a shirt color with the help of a developer controlling the game. For further enjoyment just look at my sig.

 

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Sony's tech is actually far more advanced then Nintendo's.

Think of this. The Wii Remote can only track arm motions. Even with the balance board you would have limited body motion.

In a game like red steal 2 you have to use the nunchuck joystick to move. Imagine a sword game when while you do have a joystick to do m assive large scale movement. If your bring charged you just take a step to the left, stick the wand aka sword in game out, and the moronic AI charging you rams his head into the sword blade while you side stepped in real life while moving the controller into position for where the sword ingame would be to accomplish the scene I just made up.

So really the real loser in this race is Nintendo. They only track the arms while Sony tracks everything and Microsoft tracks body movement but just not specific point tracking. I don't believe Microsoft's tech would be good at quick and accurate motions of the arm like Sony's wand and the Wii Motion + but should be able to track it well enough to put them ahead of Nintendo.

uh, the obvious problem with the Sony tech is the light tracking itself, it's basically a wiimote with special lights for the camera to track, so what happens when your motion is a little further back or you are wearing clothes that are more loose? poof light's out of the way of the camera! another problem is you can't have mirror like thing where you use it because well, for obvious reasons as well, those are the problems that the WM+ doesn't have. If we want real motion control, lol check this out SSJ, 4 Natals, front, back, left, and right, with 2 Wiimotes with WM+ AND the light on the top of the motes, wanna know how much that'd cost? I don't.

actually the light on the end of the controller isn't really a good thing to question. Its like mo-cap stages' lovely suits. All those lovely purple balls are what the cameras use to track motion. The light just acts as a point of reference. There doesn't even need to be a light as long as lighting is good in the area and the ball or whatever they end up shaping the controller and it has some form of inteligent software to track specific points on an object like mo-cap stages.

if i remember right the PS Eye handles darkness quite well too as I have done some late night video chats with little issue with darkness.

Still yes that would be an amazing and perfect setup. But why not just install a mo-cap stage into the room?

but then again you are describing software, it'd be more advanced software, the Wiimote/WM+ is still more advanced tech by itself, Sony is just adding in the camera tracking, the Sony wand as far as I can see only has basic wiimote functions.

 

edit: mo-cap stage costs even more duh =P

You can't have hardware without software. Without software to tell our game consoles how to process the data collected from these devices they are worthless.



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agree but with the ps controller you can have 2
"second hand attachment seems not to be available."
yes you can use one on each hand



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ssj12 said:
dahuman said:
ssj12 said:
dahuman said:
ssj12 said:
Keep_the_change said:

 

First place: goes obviously to wii motion plus since it is here already, revamping an experience Wii owners have since '06 when Sony and Microsoft weren't interested in fad gimmicks. It acts with 1:1 flawlessly accuracy.

 

Second place: Sony's purple wand. It acts with 1:1 flawlessly accuracy just like the WM+ but it requires a camera. Also, second hand attachment seems not to be available.

 

Third Place: Not in the same field as Sony and Nintendo Motion Control. Feels like a revamped Eye Toy, adds nothing really new in the gaming market. Project Milo was confirmed by IGN that the trailer shown was pure bullshit, unresponsive character that was just able to recognize a shirt color with the help of a developer controlling the game. For further enjoyment just look at my sig.

 

WELL BAM! There it is   :D

Sony's tech is actually far more advanced then Nintendo's.

Think of this. The Wii Remote can only track arm motions. Even with the balance board you would have limited body motion.

In a game like red steal 2 you have to use the nunchuck joystick to move. Imagine a sword game when while you do have a joystick to do m assive large scale movement. If your bring charged you just take a step to the left, stick the wand aka sword in game out, and the moronic AI charging you rams his head into the sword blade while you side stepped in real life while moving the controller into position for where the sword ingame would be to accomplish the scene I just made up.

So really the real loser in this race is Nintendo. They only track the arms while Sony tracks everything and Microsoft tracks body movement but just not specific point tracking. I don't believe Microsoft's tech would be good at quick and accurate motions of the arm like Sony's wand and the Wii Motion + but should be able to track it well enough to put them ahead of Nintendo.

uh, the obvious problem with the Sony tech is the light tracking itself, it's basically a wiimote with special lights for the camera to track, so what happens when your motion is a little further back or you are wearing clothes that are more loose? poof light's out of the way of the camera! another problem is you can't have mirror like thing where you use it because well, for obvious reasons as well, those are the problems that the WM+ doesn't have. If we want real motion control, lol check this out SSJ, 4 Natals, front, back, left, and right, with 2 Wiimotes with WM+ AND the light on the top of the motes, wanna know how much that'd cost? I don't.

actually the light on the end of the controller isn't really a good thing to question. Its like mo-cap stages' lovely suits. All those lovely purple balls are what the cameras use to track motion. The light just acts as a point of reference. There doesn't even need to be a light as long as lighting is good in the area and the ball or whatever they end up shaping the controller and it has some form of inteligent software to track specific points on an object like mo-cap stages.

if i remember right the PS Eye handles darkness quite well too as I have done some late night video chats with little issue with darkness.

Still yes that would be an amazing and perfect setup. But why not just install a mo-cap stage into the room?

but then again you are describing software, it'd be more advanced software, the Wiimote/WM+ is still more advanced tech by itself, Sony is just adding in the camera tracking, the Sony wand as far as I can see only has basic wiimote functions.

 

edit: mo-cap stage costs even more duh =P

You can't have hardware without software. Without software to tell our game consoles how to process the data collected from these devices they are worthless.

and that's why I've mentioned a lot about the hell that's awaiting MS and Sony on the dev front, even after 2 and half years, a lot of devs don't know what the hell they are doing with the wiimote, now there are 2 compeletly new ones ready to screw with their heads again, it's gonna be baaaaaaaad =_=; and also why I don't think you'd ever see any truly great games anytime soon on those fronts.



dahuman said:
Stage, only to non tech savvy people would it seem that impressive, voice is done by software, any camera can scan full body, the difference is the tech in natal is high frame rate capture, not quiet as good as slow cam, but enough to capture general human movements fast enough with good precision at a higher resolution. all it is, is a pretty decent camera with a mic attached to it, rest is all software driven.


It doesn't matter dude. That Milo game was only the beginning of a new era in HD motion sensing games.



S.T.A.G.E. said:
dahuman said:
Stage, only to non tech savvy people would it seem that impressive, voice is done by software, any camera can scan full body, the difference is the tech in natal is high frame rate capture, not quiet as good as slow cam, but enough to capture general human movements fast enough with good precision at a higher resolution. all it is, is a pretty decent camera with a mic attached to it, rest is all software driven.


It doesn't matter dude. That Milo game was only the beginning of a new era in HD motion sensing games.

and what I'm trying to tell you is that it's just a more advanced version of the PSEye, don't hype it up only to fall disappointed soon, it's not worth it, better to keep it low.



I'm most impressed with Natal, then WM+ and finally Purple Wand.

But in terms of real world application (and how/if it'll change gaming) I'd go with the rankings OP gave.

WM+ clearly showed it can be done, so it gets top spot. Sony's tech demo wasn't impressive, but the foundation was there (FPS, RTS, Action games could all be done.) My only issue is, by the time this rolls out, will any games be good enough to compete on the level of Nintendo (I'm sure developers would have gotten a handle on WM+ by then). Natal I'm not so sure about, sure it'll be great in terms of moving technology forward, but I don't see it being as capable to adapt to as many games as Nintendo's or Sonys. Also I'm not sure it'll be able to replace a physical object (controller) yet.

Anyway, OP, can you link to the IGN article that say Milo doesn't work? All I've found is the one that say Natal does.