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CaseyDDR on 02 June 2009
mysticD said:
Khuutra said:
shio said:
Khuutra said:
PCs are generally defined by moddability, aren't they? The Xbox 360 is too closed in terms of hardware and software to be considered a PC.

PCs weren't always "defined" by moddability though. It was only in the mid 90's that modding of PCs and games took flight. Anyway, it is possible to modify your Xbox 360, from simple aesthetics to switching HDD's, to more legally-strained modding and such.

Still a closed system. I could keep a PC for twenty years and play all those games the entire time if I kept the parts updated. That's not possible with the Xbox. I'm always going to have to buy the new one.

I have couple box full of PC games in my garage that doesn't run on my current system anymore.  And seriously keeping a tower size PC around from each generation just to play some of the game??   Let said 5 years from now when the next box come out, I probably can still pick up 360 for cheap and most likely the new system will be compatible.   Heck, my Dreamcast still work well when I hook it up last week.  I can't even play game just from few years ago on my current PC without downloading patch or mod.

There are so many ppl to quote ignorance but you won the pile with this response. Do you NOT know how to run an older program? Do you not know what the command prompt is? 


As for Virus Protection on a Windows based system, I've NEVER gotten a virus in the 10+ years I can remember building them myself and running myself. Know why? I don't use IE. Virus scanners and Spyware removers are scams in themselves, and are only what they are advertising to stop. You mention cheap computers then go to Macs... Macs are more vunerable than Windows by A LOT. Also, Linux is as cheap as it gets considering ITS FREE. Considering you guys are xbot fans, you'd think you'd at least know a bit about a PC being M$ fanboys. 



The Halo francise is the most overrated bland game to ever hit the console market. It provides a bad name to all FPS that even showed effort at creating an original entertaining plot.

I probably have more ps3 games than you :/ 

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Gnizmo on 02 June 2009

nightsurge said:

A 9800M GT you mean.  Technically a laptop would need to be even higher because the mobile counterparts to the desktop cards are not equal in power.

Also, the games true res may be low, but the Xbox 360 and PS3 scale them internally and still output an image that is 1080p.  Where did you friend happen to get a $600 laptop at retail that has a 9800M GT in it?  Lowest I have seen to have such a card was $1000.  Also, where are the links to those $500 retail PCs that have a good video card?

A 9500GT cannot support gaming at high settings with AA enabled like the 360 can, so don't try to give me one of those PC configs.  I'll lower it and say a 9600GT/HD4670 minimum.

Also, the Xbox 360 is striving to be an entire social networking experience in and of itself.  That's why it has Facebook and Twitter and all these other great features built in/added in.  PC's can do them to, yeah, but this is a unique experience designed to take advantage of the living room and the larger TV.

 I have a HD3850 and it can easily output in 1080P. I don't know where you are getting your information from but it is clearly wrong. I picked it up for $100 like a year ago. I built my whole rig for just over $600 (specs below) and it plays most games on high with no trouble at all. My PC also outputs to my TV and uses a game controller for games that I feel work better for them (and there are quite a few). I am not slagging consoles here, but you need to at least get your facts straight before you start mouthing off. A quick search on Newegg should give you a lot of the information you are looking for though.

*AMD Phenom X4 9600, 4 gigs of ram, HD Radeon 3850.  I love this little beast.



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Strategyking92 on 02 June 2009

PCs: gaming is secondary
consoles: gaming is primary


there ya go
/thread



And that's the only thing I need is *this*. I don't need this or this. Just this PS4... And this gaming PC. - The PS4 and the Gaming PC and that's all I need... And this Xbox 360. - The PS4, the Gaming PC, and the Xbox 360, and that's all I need... And these PS3's. - The PS4, and these PS3's, and the Gaming PC, and the Xbox 360... And this Nintendo DS. - The PS4, this Xbox 360, and the Gaming PC, and the PS3's, and that's all *I* need. And that's *all* I need too. I don't need one other thing, not one... I need this. - The Gaming PC and PS4, and Xbox 360, and thePS3's . Well what are you looking at? What do you think I'm some kind of a jerk or something! - And this. That's all I need.

Obligatory dick measuring Gaming Laptop Specs: Sager NP8270-GTX: 17.3" FULL HD (1920X1080) LED Matte LC, nVIDIA GeForce GTX 780M, Intel Core i7-4700MQ, 16GB (2x8GB) DDR3, 750GB SATA II 3GB/s 7,200 RPM Hard Drive

nightsurge on 02 June 2009
Gnizmo said:

nightsurge said:

A 9800M GT you mean.  Technically a laptop would need to be even higher because the mobile counterparts to the desktop cards are not equal in power.

Also, the games true res may be low, but the Xbox 360 and PS3 scale them internally and still output an image that is 1080p.  Where did you friend happen to get a $600 laptop at retail that has a 9800M GT in it?  Lowest I have seen to have such a card was $1000.  Also, where are the links to those $500 retail PCs that have a good video card?

A 9500GT cannot support gaming at high settings with AA enabled like the 360 can, so don't try to give me one of those PC configs.  I'll lower it and say a 9600GT/HD4670 minimum.

Also, the Xbox 360 is striving to be an entire social networking experience in and of itself.  That's why it has Facebook and Twitter and all these other great features built in/added in.  PC's can do them to, yeah, but this is a unique experience designed to take advantage of the living room and the larger TV.

 I have a HD3850 and it can easily output in 1080P. I don't know where you are getting your information from but it is clearly wrong. I picked it up for $100 like a year ago. I built my whole rig for just over $600 (specs below) and it plays most games on high with no trouble at all. My PC also outputs to my TV and uses a game controller for games that I feel work better for them (and there are quite a few). I am not slagging consoles here, but you need to at least get your facts straight before you start mouthing off. A quick search on Newegg should give you a lot of the information you are looking for though.

*AMD Phenom X4 9600, 4 gigs of ram, HD Radeon 3850.  I love this little beast.

I likely know far more about what I am talking about on this subject than nearly anyone else here.

Also, the HD 3850 is just barely below the 9600GT.  Sure it can output 1080p video.  Almost any discrete graphics card can do that.  But there is no way your HD 3850 can play games at 1920x1080 resolution on high settings.  That is what I am talking about here.

If for one second you could understand what I am talking about, maybe you could present a valid argument.

Also, I would love to see someone provide me some proof/info on an LCD TV upscaling a PC image (say the PC image is 1280x720 or so).  Most LCD TV's don't even do upscaling themselves, and when they do it is usually crap.  It is best to let the actual device do the upscaling (the media player or console in this case).



JaggedSac on 02 June 2009

I will pose a question:

Does it really matter?
Buy what you want, use what you want, don't get panties in wad over something inconsequential.



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max power on 02 June 2009
Strategyking92 said:
PCs: gaming is secondary
consoles: gaming is primary


there ya go
/thread

 

I know you're mostly joking... but you're making a distinction where there is none.

The NES was called the "Family Computer," (Famicom) in Japan.  Even had a keyboard and I believe it even had a modem available. 

The original XBox was basically built with off the shelf PC hardware. 

Consoles are computers... the only difference is it's a closed platform. 



Strategyking92 on 02 June 2009
max power said:
Strategyking92 said:
PCs: gaming is secondary
consoles: gaming is primary


there ya go
/thread

 

I know you're mostly joking... but you're making a distinction where there is none.

The NES was called the "Family Computer," (Famicom) in Japan.  Even had a keyboard and I believe it even had a modem available. 

The original XBox was basically built with off the shelf PC hardware. 

Consoles are computers... the only difference is it's a closed platform. 


that's what I meant, yes.



And that's the only thing I need is *this*. I don't need this or this. Just this PS4... And this gaming PC. - The PS4 and the Gaming PC and that's all I need... And this Xbox 360. - The PS4, the Gaming PC, and the Xbox 360, and that's all I need... And these PS3's. - The PS4, and these PS3's, and the Gaming PC, and the Xbox 360... And this Nintendo DS. - The PS4, this Xbox 360, and the Gaming PC, and the PS3's, and that's all *I* need. And that's *all* I need too. I don't need one other thing, not one... I need this. - The Gaming PC and PS4, and Xbox 360, and thePS3's . Well what are you looking at? What do you think I'm some kind of a jerk or something! - And this. That's all I need.

Obligatory dick measuring Gaming Laptop Specs: Sager NP8270-GTX: 17.3" FULL HD (1920X1080) LED Matte LC, nVIDIA GeForce GTX 780M, Intel Core i7-4700MQ, 16GB (2x8GB) DDR3, 750GB SATA II 3GB/s 7,200 RPM Hard Drive

1337 Gamer on 02 June 2009

MOUSE AND KEYBOARD SUPPORT!!! please M$ allow us this.



Long Live SHIO!

Gnizmo on 02 June 2009

nightsurge said:

I likely know far more about what I am talking about on this subject than nearly anyone else here.

Also, the HD 3850 is just barely below the 9600GT.  Sure it can output 1080p video.  Almost any discrete graphics card can do that.  But there is no way your HD 3850 can play games at 1920x1080 resolution on high settings.  That is what I am talking about here.

If for one second you could understand what I am talking about, maybe you could present a valid argument.

Also, I would love to see someone provide me some proof/info on an LCD TV upscaling a PC image (say the PC image is 1280x720 or so).  Most LCD TV's don't even do upscaling themselves, and when they do it is usually crap.  It is best to let the actual device do the upscaling (the media player or console in this case).

 Again I have to say I don't know where you are getting your information, but it is wrong. I just finished playing some Fallout 3 on ultra high with the resolution slightly below 1080p (1680X1050 which is the highest my monitor supports). I have no doubt if I were to hook it up to a monitor capable of outputting that high that it would keep chugging right along as there are no hints of a slow down currently. This is all while also outputting to a nearby TV so I can watch my favorite downloded shows and play games at the same time. I am nto trying to attack you here so there really isn't any need for being defensive. PCs have long been able to outperform the PS360 while costing around the same.



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theRepublic on 02 June 2009
CaseyDDR said:
mysticD said:
Khuutra said:
shio said:
Khuutra said:
PCs are generally defined by moddability, aren't they? The Xbox 360 is too closed in terms of hardware and software to be considered a PC.

PCs weren't always "defined" by moddability though. It was only in the mid 90's that modding of PCs and games took flight. Anyway, it is possible to modify your Xbox 360, from simple aesthetics to switching HDD's, to more legally-strained modding and such.

Still a closed system. I could keep a PC for twenty years and play all those games the entire time if I kept the parts updated. That's not possible with the Xbox. I'm always going to have to buy the new one.

I have couple box full of PC games in my garage that doesn't run on my current system anymore.  And seriously keeping a tower size PC around from each generation just to play some of the game??   Let said 5 years from now when the next box come out, I probably can still pick up 360 for cheap and most likely the new system will be compatible.   Heck, my Dreamcast still work well when I hook it up last week.  I can't even play game just from few years ago on my current PC without downloading patch or mod.

There are so many ppl to quote ignorance but you won the pile with this response. Do you NOT know how to run an older program? Do you not know what the command prompt is? 


As for Virus Protection on a Windows based system, I've NEVER gotten a virus in the 10+ years I can remember building them myself and running myself. Know why? I don't use IE. Virus scanners and Spyware removers are scams in themselves, and are only what they are advertising to stop. You mention cheap computers then go to Macs... Macs are more vunerable than Windows by A LOT. Also, Linux is as cheap as it gets considering ITS FREE. Considering you guys are xbot fans, you'd think you'd at least know a bit about a PC being M$ fanboys. 

You make it sound so simple to run older games on operating systems they were never designed for, but that just isn't the case.  I own C&C Red Alert for Windows 95.  It ran great on my old Windows 95 machine.  I tried putting it on my new Windows XP machine a few years ago.  Getting it to run at all was a pain, and when I did, it didn't run quite right.  It had issues it never did on the older machine.  Then it started crashing at the same place over and over again.  It became impossible to play the game after the 5th mission or so.



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