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highwaystar101 said:

Late term abortion is a grey area for me. I am pro-choice and I support the parents right to abort if they wish. But I generaly oppose late term abortion.

I can't understand why this hypocrite decided to take someones life. If the killer calls himself pro-life then he should buy a dictionary and look up the words "pro" and "life". I don't understand the logic of some people I'm afraid.

@ MrBubbles - Tiller is not a monster who butchered innocent children, it's not like killing babies was his hobby. He just simply worked in a field of medicine that is not to pleasent and controversial. Many people have occupations are not pretty, would you condemn a soldier to death for fighting in a battle? For all intents and purposes they too are killing (and killing innocent adults in many cases).

Many jobs hold a degree of unpleasantness and controversy, but someone has to perform the job. No-one deserves to die for this, or any other legitimate occupation. Yet you support the violent murder of people who are simply doing their job - And that is what is truly sick here.

You're being far too literal with the terms "Pro-Life" and "Pro-Choice" which are just spin for "Pro-Abortion" and "Anti-Abortion" ...



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I thought late term abortions were only allowed when it could be proved that carrying the unborn baby to term would be seriously hazardous to the mothers health...am I wrong?
they don't just allow them willy-nilly do they?



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HappySqurriel said:
highwaystar101 said:

Late term abortion is a grey area for me. I am pro-choice and I support the parents right to abort if they wish. But I generaly oppose late term abortion.

I can't understand why this hypocrite decided to take someones life. If the killer calls himself pro-life then he should buy a dictionary and look up the words "pro" and "life". I don't understand the logic of some people I'm afraid.

@ MrBubbles - Tiller is not a monster who butchered innocent children, it's not like killing babies was his hobby. He just simply worked in a field of medicine that is not to pleasent and controversial. Many people have occupations are not pretty, would you condemn a soldier to death for fighting in a battle? For all intents and purposes they too are killing (and killing innocent adults in many cases).

Many jobs hold a degree of unpleasantness and controversy, but someone has to perform the job. No-one deserves to die for this, or any other legitimate occupation. Yet you support the violent murder of people who are simply doing their job - And that is what is truly sick here.

You're being far too literal with the terms "Pro-Life" and "Pro-Choice" which are just spin for "Pro-Abortion" and "Anti-Abortion" ...

I agree, I am being very literal, but it was to demonstrate a point about the murderers hypocrasy. But in essence I understand what you mean.



Spankey said:

I thought late term abortions were only allowed when it could be proved that carrying the unborn baby to term would be seriously hazardous to the mothers health...am I wrong?
they don't just allow them willy-nilly do they?

No abortion is allowed willy nilly, I believe the parent has to consider it carefully in every situation. But you are correct, late term abortions are only generally performed due to medical reasons. I would imagine no parent would have an unwanted pregnancy and not act on it before 6 months, it would be very unwise, and the complications would be severe.



Lol a fanatical pro-lifer killing a doctor. Isn't that their argument "the baby your killing could've been a doctor"?

hahahaha oh I'm glad I see the irony in this.

p.s. Whenever someone says "it could've been a doctor", I counter with a solid "it could have been the next Hitler"



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Dodece said:
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What disturbs me the most about these shootings is not just the utter hypocrisy. What troubles me the most is that people that feel this way seemingly have only one idea. The best way to fight abortion isn't to treat the situation as an all or nothing prospect. Even if it were illegal you still would not stop the practice. Anymore then you stop murders, rapes, or narcotics. Where there is the will. There is a way, and people used that way before it was legal.

The best way to thwart abortion is to attack the root cause, and that never was a court decision. The root causes are ignorance, poverty, and psychology. All of which are addressed through good education, strong governmental economic intervention, and flexible social contracts. Which ironically are what most antiabortionists abhor. They often despise sexual education, because they think it is sinful. They are disgusted by social programs like Welfare. They are also so firmly entrenched in their beliefs they will not allow engaging in new social dynamics to bring about better conclusions.

The goal should not be to stop all abortions period. The thought that you can is ludicrous. The goal should be to minimize the need for them to happen in the first place. Had this person truly thought about any other coarse they might have put their energy to better use. Handing out condoms to prostitutes. Helping in social programs that support the poor. Serving as a role model to the youth in their community through mentoring.

Instead they were lazy and chose a bullet. All anyone can say about that is what a dumb fuck.


This post is phrased way better than anything I could say or type... That's pretty much what I think society should do. Education is the best option here, it means less stupid abortions (people who don't use protection) which is what I am the most "against". I have no issues with abortion in cases of insest, rape or health issues.

I know I have no say in other people's choices, so I am pro-choice when it comes to society, but for myself, I would never abort except in the few exceptions I mentionned.

Oh and about the murder, anyone who is *really* religious would find this outrageous... Otherwise, you're an effing hypocrite. Re-read your sacred text or w/e, I'm pretty sure it says you shouldn't kill, it's a sin. As for myself, I have morals, even if I'm not religious... So I find this disgusting. Yes I find abortion horrible but it's not a reason to kill someone. That won't solve the issue. If you're okay with this, seek psychological help... There's something wrong in your head.



What this man did for a living was heinous and disgusting, and tantamount to murder itself in my eyes.

But under NO circumstances does it make his killing anything less than the same, disgusting murder.



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Coca-Cola said:

I'm not for abortion and I think late-term abortion is sick.  However, is it murder?  I think it's dangerous to think that it's murder because it can cause people to do the following.

http://news.yahoo.com/s/ap/us_tiller_shooting

 

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This is mind numbingly disengenious.

This is disturbing as a murder but its almost equally disturbing that people want to take what is quite obviously a mentally ill person and a tragic killing and use them as political weapons to make an argument.

People who believe abortion is murder are not responsible, not even remotely. This man was an unstable person who happened to hold this belief..there are plenty of these people of all idealogies and it is sick to try to suggest that a political view, from either side, causes murders. 

It's not dangerous to hold a belief because a crazy person might use it as justification..he is a crazy person and he is going to find justification one way or another.  The suggestion is patently ridiculous and in frighteningly poor taste.

The only people responsible are this gunmen and others who advocate a "justifiable homicide" position on abortion.  The only dangerous view here is thinking that it is justifiable to murder other people. This is precisely why abortion groups have come out in droves to condemn this, and rightfully so, to ensure that nobody thinks this is acceptable or a good idea or that they support it at all. 

To be blunt if you think believing abortion is murder is a dangerous/irresponsible position to take because it might cause this then you should also think actually performing abortions is a dangerous/irresponsible thing to do for the same reasons.  We can say this might not have happened without the "abortion is murder" position but if you believe that much then it plainly would not have happened at all if he had not done abortions to begin with.  If the former brings about this scenario then the later most certainly contributes just as much if not more.  Really though this whole line of reasoning is bunk and this is a crazy person who comitted a crime and should be dealt with accordingly.

It's a tragic thing, and very sad for his loved ones. So lets not dishonor his memory by politicizing his murder.



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Squilliam said:
MrBubbles said:
Squilliam said:
How can anyone be pro life and kill?

to protect the lives of others

Why don't they just stand outside the clinics and offer to adopt the baby?

There are a bunch of people in the US willing to adopt babys who can't.

 

Of course the otherside to that is that nobody wants to adopt people older.  (Well not nobody... but not enough).



Kasz216 said:
Squilliam said:
MrBubbles said:
Squilliam said:
How can anyone be pro life and kill?

to protect the lives of others

Why don't they just stand outside the clinics and offer to adopt the baby?

There are a bunch of people in the US willing to adopt babys who can't.

 

Of course the otherside to that is that nobody wants to adopt people older.  (Well not nobody... but not enough).

I once tried to adopt an 18 year old Australian girl.

That didn't end well.

lol. sorry, I know. serious thread is serious and all that.

I just couldn't resist.

 



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