MikeB said: @ Ausfalcon I was just linking to the Sony Playstation website to upset extremists like you Mr Joseph Smith. Seriously you are a 38 years old adult, see a New York doctor please. You signed up here to stalk me as you announced on Moobunny with a fake nickname, please go back to MorphZone and please take your friend a former MorphOS dealer "Guilding Light" (MagneticSystems) with you...

Lets see now.  First you have accused me of being anti-Sony, to the point of being an extremist.  Thats obviously not true.  Anyone can look at my profile here to see that.  I'm also a Sony stockholder, are you?  But just because I own Sony stock does not mean I should spew BS here on their behalf. 

Then you accused me of being some guy named Mr. Morris  (http://www.vgchartz.com/forum/post.php?id=2162230).

Now I'm Mr. Smith.

And you keep alluding to your past feuds with MorphOS people (similar to how you seem very much to hate Xbox and Microsoft now), something I have zero to do with.

I have nothing to do with the signature campaign against you here (thats organized by someone else who has been here a long time), nor am I the upteenth person who has asked about your relationship to Sony like the person in this thread recently did.

You are the one spending time on doing things to upset people you view as extremists.  And this guy who innocently asked you about your relationship to Sony, you, instead of giving a thoughtful response, insulted his intelligence.

If you think I am some troll ignore me / report me.

 

 

 

@ Ausfalcon

Yes I know, you repeated that many times on Amiga forums:

"As I have pointed out, I'm a Sony shareholder. I certainly want to see them do well as I hold ownership in the company."

Blah blah...

I don't care, no I don't own Sony stock nor do I sell PS3s. I am just a tech enthusiast PS3 gamer and multi-media user.

MikeB said: @ Ausfalcon I'm also a Sony stockholder, are you? Yes I know, you repeated that many times on Amiga forums: "As I have pointed out, I'm a Sony shareholder. I certainly want to see them do well as I hold ownership in the company." Blah blah... I don't care, no I don't own Sony stock nor do I sell PS3s. I am just a tech enthusiast PS3 gamer and multi-media user.

The point is simply this Mike.  Just because folks disagree with you, well that does not make them all Xbots and Sony haters.  So you running around accusing people like me of that is only going to hurt your credibility.  Its that senseless and unrealistic accusing of folks that even more makes you look like for *whatever* reason, you continually evangelize about everything Sony as if you did have a greater interest.  And lets face it, very few people can claim what you yourself said, that you have approached and spoken with Sony about possible business.  Given how far you always take the Sony marketing hype train here and how far you'll take arguments to defend everything Sony, its why guys like NJ5 post warnings about you here, its why guys like nightsurge make sig/ban campaigns in regard to you, why someone like kowenicki says debating with you is "like drowning in glue".  All these folks were here long before I ever came here.  That I think should be food for thought.  You once said you "self-reflect", but I still don't see evidence of that.

 

 

@ Ausfalcon

Like I said to you in the past, I usually prefer Philips. I love the Cell and prefer Blu-Ray over DVD, I am a tech enthusiast. I have no special loyalty towards Sony, but yet acknowledge their excellence.



It's in my nature, I have corresponded with many executives (and personally met with various of them), like various Amiga CEOs, Dan Dodge QSSL CEO, Tao Group CEO, etc. If people had the chance, I think many would do the same with regard to the subjects they're interested in.

Bill Buck wanted to meet with me as well, but he's such an ass. I'd rather pass on that one.

When a (non Amiga) CEO says to me he believes you Moobunny guys are behaving like loonies, I take that more seriously than anonymous trolling.

I knew some people from the past would show up, it was just a matter of time and that's the main reason why I preferred my PSN account to remain anonymous within the rankings here.

MikeB said: @ Ausfalcon I knew some people from the past would show up, it was just a matter of time and that's the main reason why I preferred my PSN account to remain anonymous within the rankings here.

Well Mike, keep telling yourself that if you want.  But I was not around then in the world of Amiga.  And even if I was the fact that you have some list of multiple folks from back then that you had issues with is not exactly the best reflection on you I would think.  Sure, sometimes people have bad luck.  In your defense, thats certainly worth considering.  But then this trend has continued on into your dealings in other sites since, like here.  I mean, are you saying NJ5, nightsurge, starcraft, and kowenicki are all people from then?  And thats just the tip of the iceberg here.

All I said in this thread was check Mike's company link and look at this post from him on VGChartz and form your own opinion (since someone asked a specific question about you), and now you've gone off all over again about some mass conspiracy from your past.

And its cool you like to meet CEOs or whatever, but that does not change the fact that you said you sought to "explore oppertunities" with Sony and that their "response was positive".  But whatever the reason, you are not a fair or neutral poster, that much is clear.

 

 

 

MikeB said: @ Ausfalcon quote source: I prefer direct quotes like: "In the U.S. we have already met with all the major studios," Chatani said. "They pretty much love the PSP and the quality of the UMD. They are also happy because it's not cannibalizing their existing business. It's an incremental purchase and poses very little risk to their existing business."

Which does not in any way address the question of the thread, which is "So, is the UMD a failure?".

Thanks for proving my point for me by instead just quoting the marketing info from Sony from 2005 as uttered by Masa Chatani, corporate executive and chief technology officer of Sony Computer Entertainment Inc.

 

Back on-topic, I think the best way to judge if it was a failure or success is, did it achieve what Sony said they hoped to achieve with it from the start.  From what I have read so far it does not appear to have made any where near the market penetration they were hoping for / projecting.  So I think that makes it a failure in a very tangible sense.  I don't know if there is any way we could quantify profit or lose for Sony on the format, so I still think the best way is, did it do as much as what Sony said they hoped/expected from it.

Ausfalcon said: MikeB said: @ Ausfalcon quote source: I prefer direct quotes like: "In the U.S. we have already met with all the major studios," Chatani said. "They pretty much love the PSP and the quality of the UMD. They are also happy because it's not cannibalizing their existing business. It's an incremental purchase and poses very little risk to their existing business." Which does not in any way address the question of the thread, which is "So, is the UMD a failure?".

It underlines they were really just pushing this as an extra and IMO that makes sense as the PSP and UMD are competent enough to be used for movies. A bit like the Amiga CD32 game console was competent enough to play VCDs (so why not allow this?), but was not really intended for this purpose as primary use. Nomatter what some Commodore PR folk many have stated.

Sony intended the PSP to be a multi-media device, for this allowing movies on UMD made sense. Just like today it makes sense to allow cost cutting movie downloads.

markers said: times have changed, umd is no longer required. that is all

Thats funny, I could've swore that UMD wasn't required when the PSP came out. Explain that one.

@ Ausfalcon

What you don't seem to realize is that I am not shy to confront such people with counter arguments and sources when they were overly negative towards the PS3 or would claim the 360 hardware to be more powerful.

Like MorphOS fans didn't like my comments with regard to me stating that I saw more of a commercial potential in AmigaOS than MorphOS, these people of course don't like to be countered with arguments as well. I usually provide counter arguments and information politely, this cannot be said about all the people you are referring to here. That should be some food for thought.

But I think people like you and "Guilding Light" are even worse. That goes beyond fanboyism.

MikeB said: Ausfalcon said: MikeB said: @ Ausfalcon quote source: I prefer direct quotes like: "In the U.S. we have already met with all the major studios," Chatani said. "They pretty much love the PSP and the quality of the UMD. They are also happy because it's not cannibalizing their existing business. It's an incremental purchase and poses very little risk to their existing business." Which does not in any way address the question of the thread, which is "So, is the UMD a failure?". It underlines they were really just pushing this as an extra and IMO that makes sense as the PSP and UMD are competent enough to be used for movies. A bit like the Amiga CD32 game console was competent enough to play VCDs (so why not allow this?), but was not really intended for this purpose as primary use. Nomatter what some Commodore PR folk many have stated. Sony intended the PSP to be a multi-media device, for this allowing movies on UMD made sense. Just like today it makes sense to allow cost cutting movie downloads.

By itself it might.  For someone like you starting from the point of "I must cast Sony in the best light" you will then proceed to look for supporting info.  The proper way to do this is look at the question and then gather multiple points of information and apply it, and let the chips fall where they may and try to come up with a fair conclusion.  In 2004 Sony was looking to line up multiple vendor support and "make UMD the de facto compact storage media for the next generation of SD-quality video" according to their CEO. source:  http://tinyurl.com/ox3sd8

Your poor excuse for this, that only PR folks where you like what they said we should listen to, and other executives or PR folks where they said something contrary to your theory you discount as "some PR folk" that should be ignored.  Just because you want it to only match you Sony lovefest theory.

So, anyway, that tells us, at least in terms of their 2004 hopes it appears they failed.  Now maybe we can find points to directly dispute this.  But your quote does not do that.  And jeez man, can you give us links??  You do that often making people google and then we find its often because you are quoting out of context.