MikeB said: @ Ausfalcon I think Sony's main focus was to make it hard to pirate UMDs onto recordables instead really pushing hard for widespread adoption. Looking back at how Sony has addressed the format, IMO that seems like sensible reasoning.

So you now rate this format a success on the following:

1) No one else made a Mini-DVD

2) It did better than your soley personal hopes for the format.

3) Because it was not an easy format to pirate.

 

Meanwhile I think most people who are at least taking a shot at being objective would rate failure or success on things like:

1)  Did it reach the main goals Sony themselves announced for it over the years to the public.  I've given examples where it clearly did not.

2)  Was it profitable?  Thats hard to quantify, but given the quotes from movie studio execs and how retailers handled freeing up shelf space at times I certainly would need to see a lot of solid backup for anyone to declare it was a success in regards to profit.  So for now we have to view that as uncertain.

 

Basically you are saying Sony was lying to the public when they said they wanted it to be a de facto next generation SD standard.  Ceratinly that means they wanted widespread adoption, especially when they, on several occasions spoke about looking to form partnerships with other firms to extend the format's reach.

Again you go out of your way, way out of your way, to try to twist this into some sort of overall success for Sony.

@ Ausfalcon

It's funny how you make lists and come to such stupid conclusions.

As I said earlier, IMO UMD was value add for the PSP doubling as a multi-media device. It allowed the console to perform well amongst target audiences. This IMO is the key to determining if this was successful for Sony or not regarding their long term plans for the PSP.

The UMD movie support has IMO certainly been profitable to Sony (they get the royalties and they do the production runs), it did not take much for them to support movies in addition to games. It probably helped lowering production costs as well.

You must have been very bad at school writing summaries of people's books or research documents. I still do that a lot, maybe that's why I am so much better getting the key points from writings.

IMO this is all criticial, as for HD DVD, that was a complete and utter failure in all regards. Of course the PR was (like with regard to just about any new format, console or other commercial product) overly hyped, one-sided and positive. The HD DVD format suffered a quick sudden demise and generated huge losses for Toshiba.

That's what you read from the indirect comment, I read they wanted to set a standard for more compact discs. In other comments it was made crystal clear Sony weren't intending to rival DVD, just provide a low risk portable alternative.

MikeB said: @ Ausfalcon It's funny how you make lists and come to such stupid conclusions.

All you have left in the arsenal on this one is insults.  LOL.

 

This thread, again, is about the UMD format and whether *it*, the media format, suceeded or failed.  PSP is a related topic insofar as it ended up being the only device that ran the format.  But if anything, that just further highlights UMD as a failure as a media format given that Sony claimed they wanted a more widespread adoption.

Certainly possible.  Please provide backup for independent reliable sources, otherwise it stays uncertain.  And as we already discussed, a success at one thing, if we assume for a second that is the case here does not necessarily mean as a format overall that it was a success.  So if you want to debate that point, give us some backup besides "IMO".

LOL, still all you are left with are attempts at insults.  How utterly sad.

So give us some quotes (with links) that back up your inference that the media format meet expectations.  I've provided links to the contrary.  It is a forum Mike.  Give us a little more than your "IMO" and self quotes from the past.

Or just keep hurling insults.  Like I said its amusing to see someone claim to be highbrow and obviously not be (given the fact that you've reduced yourself to petty insults).

I also find it amusing that you are continuing to argue with someone that you claim has a mental issue requiring them to see a doctor.  What exactly is that saying about you? 

@ Ausfalcon

I did not state you were stupid, maybe it made you feel stupid. But I personally think your screwed up summary was intentional (thus rather malicious than stupid on your part).



I think gains should be weighed against costs to determine the format has been a failure for Sony to introduce or not. For example with regard to HD DVD there have been virtually no gains for the long term regarding Toshiba's aims, there have been mainly costs now the format is dead.



Sony already noted no special infrastructure or technology was needed to make UMD discs, it's basically just a proprietary mini-DVD format.

The potential big cost could have been mass marketing the UMD format, but AFAIK that never really happened.



Internal data isn't released in such a fashion. One thing you should learn about public commercial PR, you often see micro companies they are a "industry leading", their products are often claimed to be "revolutionary", their products are often claimed to be "unique".

Understanding the basics of modern marketing, will allow you to get a much clearer picture with regard to what a company does and what a company claims.

However this is pretty standard, as the moment a company would state they provide a product that's "nothing special" and they are "less competent" than rivals, nomatter if it's true or not, it will directly reflect on company performance.



Being a health care professional?

Seriously, your behaviour here isn't considered to be healthy for an adult your age. However you seek confrontation and thus I defend myself.

MikeB said: @ Ausfalcon All you have left in the arsenal on this one is insults. LOL I did not state you were stupid, maybe it made you feel stupid. But I personally think your screwed up summary was intentional (thus rather malicious than stupid on your part).

Ah so saying one's conclusions are "stupid", that they must have done poorly in school and how you must have done better, making your conclusions valid and the other person's not, thats not insults.  Please.

Is that how health care works in the Netherlands?  Physical therapists get to pretend to be qualified as psychiatrists?  Obviously thats not the case, so perhaps you should stop embarassing yourself.  (Your choice of course).

@ Ausfalcon

Look Joseph, you came onto this website to attack me together with Guilding Light. I think my comments have been rather mild considering this fact.



No, but we do get educated in psychology and work together with doctors to determine what's best for our patients.

MikeB said: @ Ausfalcon thats not insults. Please. Look Joseph, you came onto this website to attack me together with Guilding Light. I think my comments have been rather mild considering this fact. Is that how health care works in the Netherlands? Physical therapists get to pretend to be qualified as psychiatrists? No, but we do get educated in psychology and work together with doctors to determine what's best for our patients.

Really?  I don't even know Guiding Light, beyond seeing some of his posts here.  I know that person no more than I know RolStoppbale, NJ5, nightsurge, starcraft, kowenicki, Ascended_Saiyan3, etc.  I said I came across this site from another site where it was mentioned you got banned at Neogaf.  Your posts were so over the top, they seemed unreal, and in that sense were entertaining to read.  That said I certainly participate here in plenty of threads you are not in, as I discovered its a fun site.   I contribute to the games database and boxart database etc, have helped folks here with PS3 and PC internet connection issues etc.  Anyone can look at my post history here and activity history here and games collection to decide if I am the Xbot out to crush the "Playstation Legend" designation that you like having on your wall or not.  And my original post in this thread was not even directed at you.  It was answering someone else's post/question.  I'm not the one person after person accuses of always needing to be right and being labeled someone not worth trying to have a discussion with.  Thats the label you've earned from a bunch of folks, not me.  And your response so far has been to  spout conspiracy theories of MorphOS operatives out to get you or some such nonsense.  You know, if you keep having a bunch of folks pointing out the same flaws of yours over the years from entirely different groups of people, it might be worth giving that some thought, instead of continually lashing out that there is a conspiracy against you.

 

 

This MikeB is really grasping for straws, Ausfalcon already pointed to lots of evidence to point UMD as a failure in most aspects. Now they take it out of their new PSP, do they just need to come out and say "UMD is a failure", cause the hints aren't convincing enough I guess.

How much of a failure should be the real question. Doesn't seem to be a complete failure, they needed something till they can open up this downloadable system and didn't suck up too much money I think.

Typing this G4 talking about PSP said "Struggling UMD format", don't like G4 much but just another hint.

@ Ends

Note, I didn't see a huge market for UMD movies to begin with when they started selling. I'd call that being realistic, but I was surprised how much content Sony has gotten on the format nevertheless.

That the movies in the first couple of years sold nearly as much as the games was IMO pretty amazing. More successful than I imagined, I guess it's due to Sony's industry muscle.

You guys act as if I would have exptected UMD to take over DVD or something. In fact many years ago I said there was limited potential, however IMO Sony pretty much maximized this potential.

Now things have evolved since the PSP originally launched and the PSP Go seems ideal for me (someone who only owns a slim Nintendo DS). Wow @ the content Wow, even Metal Gear Solid with Solid Snake! But I think UMD will continue to be supported for many years to come, IMO the more choice the better in this regard!

MikeB said: @ Ends This MikeB is really grasping for straws Note, I didn't see a huge market for UMD movies to begin with when they started selling. I'd call that being realistic, but I was surprised how much content Sony has gotten on the format nevertheless. That the movies in the first couple of years sold nearly as much as the games was IMO pretty amazing. More successful than I imagined, I guess it's due to Sony's industry muscle. You guys act as if I would have exptected UMD to take over DVD or something. In fact many years ago I said there was limited potential, however IMO Sony pretty much maximized this potential. Now things have evolved since the PSP originally launched and the PSP Go seems ideal for me (someone who only owns a slim Nintendo DS). Wow @ the content Wow, even Metal Gear Solid with Solid Snake! But I think UMD will continue to be supported for many years to come, IMO the more choice the better in this regard!

Nice soliloquy, totally unrelated to the question asked by the original poster.  You are not the one who was setting the goals for the format at introduction and during its first years, Sony did (of course).  You being successful at seeing it had a weaker potential than Sony was shooting for and telling the public is not the same as success for the media format itself.  If anything that analysis of yours of it being weaker only further highlights its failures.  So pat yourself on the back for being more enlightened than Sony, thats cool.  But that does not remove the fact that the format failed to meet the intentions of its maker and the expectations that the public and press had from those stated intentions.