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Slimebeast said:

The Arabs should be happy that they got Gaza and also, most of the West Bank is planned to be included in a future Palestinian state.

In my opinion Israel by now would have had all the rights to permanently merge the occupied territories from 1967 into the Israeli nation and expel most of the Arabs, as badly as the Arabs have behaved over the years (and knowing how huge of a land mass is in Arab possession, there's plenty of room for a couple of million Palestinian 'refugees' to be housed in Arabia, but the Arab states refuse to accept them only for political reasons. Humanitary and solidarity means nothing to them. But if the West and Obama put pressure on Saudi-Arabia and others instead to accept the Palestinian Arabs as citizens the problem could be solved).

But this corrupt world and all the commies, socialists and left-wingers love Palestinians and hate the strong and proud Jew. It's as simple as that. It's all about emotions.

The Arabs European Jewish people should be happy that they got Gaza Western Palestine and also, most of the West Bank is planned to be included in stolen from a future Palestinian state through continued colonialization hidden by "natural growth".

In my opinion Israel by now would have had all the rights been legally forced to permanently merge leave the occupied territories from 1967 into back to the Israeli nation and expel allow most of the Arabs back to their homes, as badly as the Arabs Jews have behaved over the years (and knowing how huge of a land mass is in Arab Israeli possession, there's plenty of room for a couple of million Palestinian 'refugees' thousand Israeli 'Settlers' to be housed in Arabia Israel, but the Arab states racist Jewish settlers refuse to accept them only for political reasons. Humanitary and solidarity means nothing to them. But if the West and Obama put pressure on Saudi-Arabia Israel and others instead to accept the Palestinian Arabs as citizens of a Palestinian State within the borders of 1967 the problem could be solved).

But this corrupt world and all the commies, socialists and left-wingers Republican, racist, right-wingers love hate Palestinians and hate love the strong and proud minority of Jews who are racist and fight against International laws. It's as simple as that. It's all about emotions racism.

 

 

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SciFiBoy said:
Slimebeast said:
SciFiBoy said:
Slimebeast said:

The Arabs should be happy that they got Gaza and also, most of the West Bank is planned to be included in a future Palestinian state.

In my opinion Israel by now would have had all the rights to permanently merge the occupied territories from 1967 into the Israeli nation and expel most of the Arabs, as badly as the Arabs have behaved over the years (and knowing how huge of a land mass is in Arab possession, there's plenty of room for a couple of million 'refugees' in Arabia, but they refuse to accept them for political reasons. But if the West and Obama put pressure on Saudi-Arabia and others instead to accept the Palestinian Arabs as citizens the problem could be solved).

But this corrupt world and all the commies, socialists and left-wingers love Palestinians and hate the strong and proud Jew. It's as simple as that. It's all about emotions.

so you made a biased statement and then insulted anyone who dosent see things your way?

are you taking part in a debate or just trying to start a flamewar?


Who is not biased regarding this topic? Everyone passionate about the middle east conflict is driven by primitive emotions, that's my analysis (but of course all of these people like to believe they're very logical and rational).

How did I insult 'anyone who doesnt see things' my way?

Not a flame war by intention no, but that's what these debates turn to within the first 50 posts of the thread anyway.

i dont consider myself biased, though i suppose one could say i was, i take the UN view of this, that Israel is in violation of several international laws and should stop violating them and pursue a two state, peacefull solution, i mean if its biased to want peace and fairness, then colour me biased.

your closing statement looks to me like its saying that you have no respect for the views of: Communists, Socialists & Left Wingers


The UN is shit. The majority of nations in the world are primitive and corrupt dictatorships. They all are allowed to vote in the UN.

UN is so Palestine biased it's ridiculous.

No, generally I don't respect socialist views. Im well aware of that mixed economies make pretty decent societies, but it's all due to the 'terror balance' between market economy versus socialist thiefs (like a "cold war" where the end result is decent). I dont like the socialist mindset. They always overdo the sharing part (like perverted progressive taxation, the insane government spending and waste of money in all the West). I only get to keep 1/4th of everything I produce - I get 25%, while the government takes 75% and shares it to the needing, to all the ambitious projects that politicians have,, because they love to be the Good Samaritan and share other peoples money.

And in moral issues, I most often dislike and disagree with commies/socialist/liberal thinking.

 



@ Slimebeast

i agree the UN needs to be reformed, but i think that there view of the conflict is pretty accurate, and international laws are in general good.

imo, the UN needs to abolish the right to veto, otherwise its useless



superchunk said:
Slimebeast said:

The Arabs should be happy that they got Gaza and also, most of the West Bank is planned to be included in a future Palestinian state.

In my opinion Israel by now would have had all the rights to permanently merge the occupied territories from 1967 into the Israeli nation and expel most of the Arabs, as badly as the Arabs have behaved over the years (and knowing how huge of a land mass is in Arab possession, there's plenty of room for a couple of million Palestinian 'refugees' to be housed in Arabia, but the Arab states refuse to accept them only for political reasons. Humanitary and solidarity means nothing to them. But if the West and Obama put pressure on Saudi-Arabia and others instead to accept the Palestinian Arabs as citizens the problem could be solved).

But this corrupt world and all the commies, socialists and left-wingers love Palestinians and hate the strong and proud Jew. It's as simple as that. It's all about emotions.

The Arabs European Jewish people should be happy that they got Gaza Western Palestine and also, most of the West Bank is planned to be included in stolen from a future Palestinian state through continued colonialization hidden by "natural growth".

In my opinion Israel by now would have had all the rights been legally forced to permanently merge leave the occupied territories from 1967 into back to the Israeli nation and expel allow most of the Arabs back to their homes, as badly as the Arabs Jews have behaved over the years (and knowing how huge of a land mass is in Arab Israeli possession, there's plenty of room for a couple of million Palestinian 'refugees' thousand Israeli 'Settlers' to be housed in Arabia Israel, but the Arab states racist Jewish settlers refuse to accept them only for political reasons. Humanitary and solidarity means nothing to them. But if the West and Obama put pressure on Saudi-Arabia Israel and others instead to accept the Palestinian Arabs as citizens of a Palestinian State within the borders of 1967 the problem could be solved).

But this corrupt world and all the commies, socialists and left-wingers Republican, racist, right-wingers love hate Palestinians and hate love the strong and proud minority of Jews who are racist and fight against International laws. It's as simple as that. It's all about emotions racism.

 

 

Fixed.

Well from an Arab-lovers view that makes sence.

And yeah, you could almost call it 'racism' too. Although I would describe it more like a question of good versus bad cultures.

I don't think highly of the Arab culture (and pro-Arab culture) and they don't think highly of Sionist/republican/traditional Western culture.



@slimebeast

Its funny you blast the very same organization that approved the creation of Israel in the first place. Is say if they vote for Israel to GTFO then Israel should abide.

Personally, I think the world wants to fix the racist f'up scenario it created.



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Squilliam said:
Slimebeast said:
Squilliam said:
Its funny they use the word settlement... Other words for building stuff in another country include 'colonisation' and 'occupation'. Im not trying to start a war about whats happening there, its more a comment about how its described.


lol. Maybe you should consider getting out of New Zeeland and give up the land to the Maoris before u open your moth about this topic. ^^

Well you see in New Zealand we don't talk about what happened as 'settlement'. Also 'Maoris' doesn't exist, the plural form of the noun is simply 'Maori'. Though some use 'Maoridom'

 

That's actually the worst example of knowing about nothing and trying to get other people to feel bad about their opinions. Have you ever been to New Zealand, slimebeast? I've never seen a country where the "natives" are so integrated as they are in New Zealand. The most important sports team does a ritual Maori dance and all the signs are written in English and Maori. So Sqilliam be proud, that beside still appearing problems, you are living in a country like this.

 

Btt.:

The Middle-East-conflict is way to f... up in every sense, just that Israel has occupied the West Bank, doesn't mean, that they're in a position to hold it. Actually, I think it's good, that the USA is not simply saying yes, to everything Israeli extremists say, but to be more open minded to different solutions. It's important for the States as well, because this conflict is one of the reasons, why the US became a major target for terrorists attacks.



superchunk said:

Settlements need to be 100% halted and removed if illegal outposts in order for peace to actually be negotiated. Israel cannot expect peace and negotiations while they keep stealing land, it just doesn't work.

I hope Obama comes back with more of a tone that links full adherence w/ US funding. :) Israel needs US a lot more than US needs Israel.

Well, actually time is on Israels side. Soon all the refugees that were driven out of Israel in 1948 are dead, and no one can claim that they need be allowed to their homes, because they weren even born in Israel. And Israel just voted some hard-liners into the Knesset (espceially that tough Russian guy) who basically say to the Arabs: forget land for peace, now it's peace for peace!

The settlers will keep surrounding Jerusalem, that's the big goal. Israle don't care about Ramallah or Hebron really that much, it's all about securing Jerusalem as a Jewish united city. And once you got 500,000 Jewish 'settlers' all around Eastern Jerusalem that have lived there for decades, they can't be moved, not matter what UN or anyone says.

I'd say it's the other way around, the Palestinians can't expect Israel to stop settlements and the merging of Jerusalem, as long as Abbas can't control Hamas.



Slimebeast said:
superchunk said:

Settlements need to be 100% halted and removed if illegal outposts in order for peace to actually be negotiated. Israel cannot expect peace and negotiations while they keep stealing land, it just doesn't work.

I hope Obama comes back with more of a tone that links full adherence w/ US funding. :) Israel needs US a lot more than US needs Israel.

Well, actually time is on Israels side. Soon all the refugees that were driven out of Israel in 1948 are dead, and no one can claim that they need be allowed to their homes, because they weren even born in Israel. And Israel just voted some hard-liners into the Knesset (espceially that tough Russian guy) who basically say to the Arabs: forget land for peace, now it's peace for peace!

The settlers will keep surrounding Jerusalem, that's the big goal. Israle don't care about Ramallah or Hebron really that much, it's all about securing Jerusalem as a Jewish united city. And once you got 500,000 Jewish 'settlers' all around Eastern Jerusalem that have lived there for decades, they can't be moved, not matter what UN or anyone says.

I'd say it's the other way around, the Palestinians can't expect Israel to stop settlements and the merging of Jerusalem, as long as Abbas can't control Hamas.

Time is the one thing definitely not on Israel's side. Isreali-Arab population far outpaces even the most religious zealot jew. I think the last projections stated that by 2020 or something Jews will be the minority AGAIN. So, its only a matter of time when the Arab vote is strong enough to control Israeli government decisions.

Also, with US showing real unbiased actions and siding more w/ Abbas, then the PA will gain more favor and Hamas will shrink.

Obama is, so far, doing the best he can for the situation. Just wish he could have been there before Bush and before this recent shift towards the right in Israeli politics.



fmc83 said:
Squilliam said:
Slimebeast said:
Squilliam said:
Its funny they use the word settlement... Other words for building stuff in another country include 'colonisation' and 'occupation'. Im not trying to start a war about whats happening there, its more a comment about how its described.


lol. Maybe you should consider getting out of New Zeeland and give up the land to the Maoris before u open your moth about this topic. ^^

Well you see in New Zealand we don't talk about what happened as 'settlement'. Also 'Maoris' doesn't exist, the plural form of the noun is simply 'Maori'. Though some use 'Maoridom'

 

That's actually the worst example of knowing about nothing and trying to get other people to feel bad about their opinions. Have you ever been to New Zealand, slimebeast? I've never seen a country where the "natives" are so integrated as they are in New Zealand. The most important sports team does a ritual Maori dance and all the signs are written in English and Maori. So Sqilliam be proud, that beside still appearing problems, you are living in a country like this.

 

Btt.:

The Middle-East-conflict is way to f... up in every sense, just that Israel has occupied the West Bank, doesn't mean, that they're in a position to hold it. Actually, I think it's good, that the USA is not simply saying yes, to everything Israeli extremists say, but to be more open minded to different solutions. It's important for the States as well, because this conflict is one of the reasons, why the US became a major target for terrorists attacks.


Well, Im sure Squill understands Im playing with him. Im very well aware of how nice NZ are to Maories (in my own controversial opinion they are too nice and digging their own grave). But still, formally, the white New Zeelanders could be seen as invaders, even if they are very nice and regretful invaders nowadays. ^^



superchunk said:
Slimebeast said:

The Arabs should be happy that they got Gaza and also, most of the West Bank is planned to be included in a future Palestinian state.

In my opinion Israel by now would have had all the rights to permanently merge the occupied territories from 1967 into the Israeli nation and expel most of the Arabs, as badly as the Arabs have behaved over the years (and knowing how huge of a land mass is in Arab possession, there's plenty of room for a couple of million Palestinian 'refugees' to be housed in Arabia, but the Arab states refuse to accept them only for political reasons. Humanitary and solidarity means nothing to them. But if the West and Obama put pressure on Saudi-Arabia and others instead to accept the Palestinian Arabs as citizens the problem could be solved).

But this corrupt world and all the commies, socialists and left-wingers love Palestinians and hate the strong and proud Jew. It's as simple as that. It's all about emotions.

The Arabs European Jewish people should be happy that they got Gaza Western Palestine and also, most of the West Bank is planned to be included in stolen from a future Palestinian state through continued colonialization hidden by "natural growth".

In my opinion Israel by now would have had all the rights been legally forced to permanently merge leave the occupied territories from 1967 into back to the Israeli nation and expel allow most of the Arabs back to their homes, as badly as the Arabs Jews have behaved over the years (and knowing how huge of a land mass is in Arab Israeli possession, there's plenty of room for a couple of million Palestinian 'refugees' thousand Israeli 'Settlers' to be housed in Arabia Israel, but the Arab states racist Jewish settlers refuse to accept them only for political reasons. Humanitary and solidarity means nothing to them. But if the West and Obama put pressure on Saudi-Arabia Israel and others instead to accept the Palestinian Arabs as citizens of a Palestinian State within the borders of 1967 the problem could be solved).

But this corrupt world and all the commies, socialists and left-wingers Republican, racist, right-wingers love hate Palestinians and hate love the strong and proud minority of Jews who are racist and fight against International laws. It's as simple as that. It's all about emotions racism.

 

Fixed.

You really are generalizing so much here it's ridicoulous. I had no idea I was a republican, racist, right wingers that hates Palestinians because I support Israel. Thanks for that realization.



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