You don't need a game to win Okey.

Last year, MS won E3 by descimating Sony with a huge announcment. It wasn't a new game, it was a simple business move, that MS pulled out of its ass, which totally owned everything else, and ruled over the whole show.

MS doesn't NEED Halo 4 to win. They don't need any game. They just need 1 megaton. If MGS5 was 360 exclusive, for instance, MS would win E3, I don't care if Nintendo showed 4 new console Zelda games for release before Christmas. The internet would MELTDOWN with the utter demise of many a fanboy, and that my friend, is what "winning" E3 is all about. It's not about showing old games. It's not about gaming. It is about ownage, and that "oh snap!" excitement moment that keeps us caring about the damn even.

Remember when Twilight Princess was unveiled? Remember when FFXIII was revealed to be coming to the 360? Those were ultimate, history making moments in gaming. As we twitter away all the years following this industry, those single few seconds of those trailers will be looked back upon as the best moments. A top 10 list moment. All the dull grey months washed away in an instant of passion. You can't win E3 with freakin' ordinary games. That's a joke. You win it...sir...with MEGATONS.

You are the ONLY one who believes that. In fact, you must not have been on the internet after that announcment.

Frankly, last year, MS officially "won." You might pretend that SOME people have the opinion that they didn't...but come on bro. You think Sony won with that LBP footage I bet, despite that game being announced at E3, 4 years ago.

MS was, without any doubt whatsoever in my mind, which is very knoweldgable about the industry, and which often makes relevant observations such as this, the absolute winner of E3 last year.

I can't even believe there is anyone arguing this. MS didn't win last year? WTF? The reprocussions are still being felt.

....also, Sony could win if they did what they did last year? Give us another MAG trailer? They didn't do anything last year. They showed us MAG, announced GoW3(with no in game trailer) and...you really think they won bro? Are you serious?

The question is: If Sony has chosen to reveal so many games up to E3, what do they consider their "big reveals"? They obviously have more to show that has yet to be revealed.

What does Sony have in store for us?

@Khuutra

Define core titles. What do you think defines core titles for a Nintendo platform. Would you mind listing the core titles. Your opinion of quality is irrelevant, and more to the point many disagree. Further more how would you rate the delivery as in timeliness.

I would define core titles as Nintendo first party titles from franchises with a pedigree. Then would I ask are they real improvements over their predecessors. I would rate the delivery as piss poor. I would say this just on how sterile this sites own forums have been. Not merely the lack of games that interest me.

Oh and before you label me a hater. I have owned every Nintendo console, purchased over two hundred titles for them. I currently own three of their consoles including the latest one, and currently have over thirty games, but you know what I am jaded by this generation. I honestly have no interest in buying their next console, and haven't purchased a new title for my console in over a year.

So with all that said explain your statements, because I sure as hell am not seeing where Nintendo is doing a better job of things. Hell I bought more games for my Gamecube. Then I have bought for the Wii. Now tell me that isn't sad.

Last year, Sony showed off a lot of new ips and those were the big games that they had planned for the latter half of last year. However, even though most of those games turned out to be the most highly acclaimed games of last year in their respective genres, many of them weren't the big name games that would guarantee sure fire success.

Resistance 2 did have trouble going up against both the more popular Gears 2 and increasing hype for Killzone 2 which cut into its ability to really be a big seller. Problems that Uncharted doesn't have. The first one with sales close to 3 million established itself as a popular new series. And it doesn't have any rivals in its own genre. The only ones I could think of would be Assassin's Creed, a new Tomb Raider game, or Assassin's Creed 2, but I don't think it would have the same sales conflicts with those games that Resistance did with Gears, Halo, and Killzone. Uncharted 2 will likely either equal or surpass the first one in sales and review scores.

Some people like to point out that Little Big Planet didn't sell all that well in comparison to its hype. However, it is the second best selling platformer of this generation. And it sold over 2 million copies in a genre that has left its popularity in the 8 and 16 bit years far behind it. Still an innovative, arthouse platformer isn't going to have the massive popular appeal of a game like God of War III which has already had two massively successful installments on the PS2 and one on PSP. Like Uncharted God of War III is destined to sell over 3 million copies.

Gran Turismo 5 will be at the show probably with an announced release date of November 2009. And, once again it will be a highly successful game. Forza might be gaining in popularity so I don't know if GT5 will sell that many more copies than Forza in the Americas or Others, but in Japan GT5 will easily sell over a million copies and move consoles while Forza will be very lucky to sell over 50,000 copies in Japan.

New announcements from Kojima and Square would certainly make Sony the winner of E3.

I don't think there's any way that the 360 could have a stronger showing or really even come close. There biggest game is likely to be Alan Wake but Heavy Rain will be a serious rival for it. And, I predict Heavy Rain will be the more acclaimed game.

Nintendo will have to show off many core titles in traditional genres on Wii if they want to offset last year's showing. Metroid Prime Trilogy is a step in the right direction despite III's prior poor sales on the Wiim but they need more of that and less Wii Series product type games to be on display at the show.

I would put my money on MS.  Because they are probably goina have plenty of game release dates announced (finally)   Also i've heard rumours of a xbox portable and if they do that then there's no doubt that they will win E3

@Dodece:

...Why are you asking me to rate timeliness if my opinion in terms of subjective qualities is irrelevant? Do you realize how backwards that is?

What defines a franchise "pedigree"?

I don't care what you've owned and what you've bought or what you've played, just that you're wrong.

Look, in the first place, my statement that the core titles are here is in reference to the fact that you claim tha Nintendo has let core values slip away - you're free to take it as an invitation to, you know, back up your claims.

In the first 2.5 years of its life, the Wii has had a Mario, a Mario Kart, a Mario Party, a Metroid, a Zelda, a Pokemon title, Punch-Out, Animal Crossing, Paper Mario, WarioWare, a proper Wario game, a Fire Emblem, a Smash Bros... the Gamecube took 5 years to get some of these titles, where it had any of them at all.

And no, you having more Gamecube games than Wii games isn't sad. The Gamecube had an effective lifespan of over 5 years. That just shows that your perspective on the "timeliness" of Nintendo's core title releases is unnecessarily narrow.

@Khuutra

Those are your core titles. Now I see where you are confused. This is along the lines of what I consider core franchises Mario, Zelda, Pilotwings, Starfox, Mariokart, WaveRace, and Donkey Kong. Basically series that have been around for a few generation, and are just plain standard. Not to mention Nintendo hasn't boned up on these to offset the loss or not only Rare but a few key third parties that propped the console up over the previous two generations.

I am not belittling Mario Party, Pokemon, Metroid, or Fire Emblem. They are good second string series as far as the console is concerned. Though they are not the massive titles the console is lacking. Where are the mega hit core games. You have Mario, Mariokart, and Brawl. You cannot include Zelda, because that is a port. Which is disappointing, because Nintendo promised to deliver two titles each generation, and this generation they will be lucky to have one.

So few standard bearers, no covering the difference through second parties, or major third party exclusives. With only a handful of the lightweights. It is preposterous. Even more so with them being spaced well apart leaving huge freaking gaps in the lineup. As I said I have more for the cube. Worse yet most of these games only got a modest upgrade, and I got most of my cube games in the first eighteen months the console was on the market.

This is a huge problem. Yes Nintendo needs to man up, and get the big guns in there. They also probably need a strong second party developer to cover the slack.

"Core" has nothing to do with being a "standard bearer", that is a ridiculous notion. Your definition of "core" is erroneous - it refers to properties which hold to values that the traditional customer prefers. Fire Emblem is more "core" than Wave Race ever was, and ditto Pilotwings. "Core" is a qualitative descriptor referring specifically to the values inherent in the design of the game, not what you consider popular.

Metroid hasn't been a second tier property since 2002. That is silly.

Zelda certainly counts - 5.5 million people have bought it on the Wii, and that number is climbing every week. To claim it doesn't count because it came out before the Gamecube version is a touch ridiculous, and is even ignoring the point that you are assumedly arguing about perception - which is defeated, of course, in that Twilight Princess is primarily thought of as a Wii game, as buying trends have proven.

You are not actually making an argument. You are not refuting points. You are making long-winded, specious metaphors, following up with flimsy similes, failing to provide examples of ways in which Nintendo has fallen behind in providing for the core, and, perhaps worst of all, just flat-out ignoring the fact that core titles are selling more on the Wii than they have for two generations.

Seriously, now, seriously. Smash Bros. isn't core since when?

Everything you said there might be true(I'm not sure I read it all, tbh).

However, if you are still insisting these two things:

A. Games that were known about before E3, can cause a company to "win" E3 simply be being demonstrated.

and

B. MS didn't clearly win E3 last year.

then you are missing the point.

You can't win E3 with games that you have already announced, unless no one else announces anything good.

Last year, Sony had no surprises. We got a GoW3 announcement, and a MAG introduction.

Now, their game lineup was fine, but again, it was a game lineup that we were WELL AWARE OF before E3 started, you understand?

You win E3 by showing new things. Not by having the best old news. Sony can't win E3 by having a Gran Turismo demo, lol. It's just...no. You have to have something new.

Do you disagree with that? Do you believe that E3 isn't about new announcements, but rather "which console is better going into the show"?

Aren't you a little biased? I think you are shaping your logic around your argument, instead of the other way around.

Isn't the truth that you want Sony to win, and you are trying to argue that said event is very likely, when in actuality, it is not. Sony has made most of their big announcments, in all likelyhood. They could "win" with a price cut and a redesign. If we don't get either one of those, they will lose. Right?

I mean, won't you argue that Sony won, no matter what is shown? I'm asking you. Maybe you won't, but I'm gonna go ahead and ask. What would it take for you to believe "Sony lost" this E3. What announcements, or lackthereof from Sony/MS/Nintendo could culminate in a deduction from you that Sony lost E3?

....do you really think Gran Turismo 5 can "win" E3 for Sony? Is news of GT5s release date a megaton?