Just a bit more for informations sake.

 

MaxwellGT2000 said: txrattlesnake said: MaxwellGT2000 said: Yet again not fact checking as the Wii sold 50 million units to retailers world wide around the time GDC happened, it was even in Nintendo's press conference. I have no idea what sales and review scores have to do with a game coming out please try again. And many of those highly rated games were sports titles that were the same game year after year which is why the "AAA" thing is fanboy sullshit, number of games with a diverse library that appeals to many different gamers would be a better gage as a game that hits the 5's and 6's can still appeal to many people and be very enjoyable.  I could bring up the fact again that not a single PS3 game has sold a million in Japan but that would just be a low blow :P Well, if you're going by numbers shipped to retailers, then the PS3 has sold more consoles than the amount listed on the front of this page too. There will be 4 million + PS3s sold in Japan by next January, and that means the ability for any PS3 title to sell a million copies there goes up just that much more. My main point with the Wii will sell 100 million copies remark was basically that it will only have sold 100 million copies while this gen is still viable. It won't sell as many consoles as the PS2 while it still matters and it will have a harder time reaching its second fifty million than it did its first. And this analysis comes from what?  Your gut feeling?  Your list of facts to back this up is astounding... oh wait...

About the Wii it mainly comes from my gut feeling based on what games I expect to come to the console in the future. Of course, I have to admit the Wii could continue to defy my expectations as it pretty much has everybody else's and be the best selling console of all time with the fewest number of reasons to pick one up of any best selling console in any gen. I will predict that it won't have 500+ green rated games at Metacritic as the PS2 has especially since it only has a small percentage of that at this point in its lifespan. About the fact that GT5 and the two Final Fantasies should move PS3 units it comes from looking at sales for past GT and FF games. If FF and GT don't move PS3s, then neither of those games will have sold as they have in the past.

txrattlesnake said: MaxwellGT2000 said: txrattlesnake said: MaxwellGT2000 said: Yet again not fact checking as the Wii sold 50 million units to retailers world wide around the time GDC happened, it was even in Nintendo's press conference. I have no idea what sales and review scores have to do with a game coming out please try again. And many of those highly rated games were sports titles that were the same game year after year which is why the "AAA" thing is fanboy sullshit, number of games with a diverse library that appeals to many different gamers would be a better gage as a game that hits the 5's and 6's can still appeal to many people and be very enjoyable.  I could bring up the fact again that not a single PS3 game has sold a million in Japan but that would just be a low blow :P Well, if you're going by numbers shipped to retailers, then the PS3 has sold more consoles than the amount listed on the front of this page too. There will be 4 million + PS3s sold in Japan by next January, and that means the ability for any PS3 title to sell a million copies there goes up just that much more. My main point with the Wii will sell 100 million copies remark was basically that it will only have sold 100 million copies while this gen is still viable. It won't sell as many consoles as the PS2 while it still matters and it will have a harder time reaching its second fifty million than it did its first. And this analysis comes from what?  Your gut feeling?  Your list of facts to back this up is astounding... oh wait... I

Wot? 

I?  lol There's a 4 word limt rule you know :P

MaxwellGT2000 said: txrattlesnake said: MaxwellGT2000 said: txrattlesnake said: MaxwellGT2000 said: Yet again not fact checking as the Wii sold 50 million units to retailers world wide around the time GDC happened, it was even in Nintendo's press conference. I have no idea what sales and review scores have to do with a game coming out please try again. And many of those highly rated games were sports titles that were the same game year after year which is why the "AAA" thing is fanboy sullshit, number of games with a diverse library that appeals to many different gamers would be a better gage as a game that hits the 5's and 6's can still appeal to many people and be very enjoyable.  I could bring up the fact again that not a single PS3 game has sold a million in Japan but that would just be a low blow :P Well, if you're going by numbers shipped to retailers, then the PS3 has sold more consoles than the amount listed on the front of this page too. There will be 4 million + PS3s sold in Japan by next January, and that means the ability for any PS3 title to sell a million copies there goes up just that much more. My main point with the Wii will sell 100 million copies remark was basically that it will only have sold 100 million copies while this gen is still viable. It won't sell as many consoles as the PS2 while it still matters and it will have a harder time reaching its second fifty million than it did its first. And this analysis comes from what?  Your gut feeling?  Your list of facts to back this up is astounding... oh wait... I Wot?  I?  lol There's a 4 word limt rule you know :P

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txrattlesnake said: MaxwellGT2000 said: txrattlesnake said: MaxwellGT2000 said: Yet again not fact checking as the Wii sold 50 million units to retailers world wide around the time GDC happened, it was even in Nintendo's press conference. I have no idea what sales and review scores have to do with a game coming out please try again. And many of those highly rated games were sports titles that were the same game year after year which is why the "AAA" thing is fanboy sullshit, number of games with a diverse library that appeals to many different gamers would be a better gage as a game that hits the 5's and 6's can still appeal to many people and be very enjoyable.  I could bring up the fact again that not a single PS3 game has sold a million in Japan but that would just be a low blow :P Well, if you're going by numbers shipped to retailers, then the PS3 has sold more consoles than the amount listed on the front of this page too. There will be 4 million + PS3s sold in Japan by next January, and that means the ability for any PS3 title to sell a million copies there goes up just that much more. My main point with the Wii will sell 100 million copies remark was basically that it will only have sold 100 million copies while this gen is still viable. It won't sell as many consoles as the PS2 while it still matters and it will have a harder time reaching its second fifty million than it did its first. And this analysis comes from what?  Your gut feeling?  Your list of facts to back this up is astounding... oh wait... About the Wii it mainly comes from my gut feeling based on what games I expect to come to the console in the future. Of course, I have to admit the Wii could continue to defy my expectations as it pretty much has everybody else's and be the best selling console of all time with the fewest number of reasons to pick one up of any best selling console in any gen. I will predict that it won't have 500+ green rated games at Metacritic as the PS2 has especially since it only has a small percentage of that at this point in its lifespan. About the fact that GT5 and the two Final Fantasies should move PS3 units it comes from looking at sales for past GT and FF games. If FF and GT don't move PS3s, then neither of those games will have sold as they have in the past.

Again using metacritic as a medium for your examples, you do realize many of those same green rated games newer versions have come out on Wii are basically on par with those past games yet are below the yellow?  Why is that? For one more reviews, statistically the more reviews you have the lower the score the game gets.  Two yet again I stress how many of those games on PS2 are just sports or rehashed games that came out year after year, that got rated high for PS2 (PS2's highest rated game is Tony Hawk 3 for example) that just don't get those kinds of ratings on Wii, media bias?  Maybe?  Opinions change?  Could be that too, but using that as a medium for so and so is better then so and so is a terrible way to judge.

Now actually talking about sales, Wii is the fastest selling console, beating the DS which beat the PS2, the DS is set on trumping the PS2, what will this gen suddenly be shorter then the last and therefore Wii not have enough time to outsell the PS2, which mind you if the console generations changed that quickly and hardware got stronger, the developers that are already hurting because of development costs would refuse and would be a terrible move on any console makers part.  As it would go the way of the Atari Jaguars, the 3DO's and such.

MaxwellGT2000 said: txrattlesnake said: MaxwellGT2000 said: txrattlesnake said: MaxwellGT2000 said: Yet again not fact checking as the Wii sold 50 million units to retailers world wide around the time GDC happened, it was even in Nintendo's press conference. I have no idea what sales and review scores have to do with a game coming out please try again. And many of those highly rated games were sports titles that were the same game year after year which is why the "AAA" thing is fanboy sullshit, number of games with a diverse library that appeals to many different gamers would be a better gage as a game that hits the 5's and 6's can still appeal to many people and be very enjoyable.  I could bring up the fact again that not a single PS3 game has sold a million in Japan but that would just be a low blow :P Well, if you're going by numbers shipped to retailers, then the PS3 has sold more consoles than the amount listed on the front of this page too. There will be 4 million + PS3s sold in Japan by next January, and that means the ability for any PS3 title to sell a million copies there goes up just that much more. My main point with the Wii will sell 100 million copies remark was basically that it will only have sold 100 million copies while this gen is still viable. It won't sell as many consoles as the PS2 while it still matters and it will have a harder time reaching its second fifty million than it did its first. And this analysis comes from what?  Your gut feeling?  Your list of facts to back this up is astounding... oh wait... About the Wii it mainly comes from my gut feeling based on what games I expect to come to the console in the future. Of course, I have to admit the Wii could continue to defy my expectations as it pretty much has everybody else's and be the best selling console of all time with the fewest number of reasons to pick one up of any best selling console in any gen. I will predict that it won't have 500+ green rated games at Metacritic as the PS2 has especially since it only has a small percentage of that at this point in its lifespan. About the fact that GT5 and the two Final Fantasies should move PS3 units it comes from looking at sales for past GT and FF games. If FF and GT don't move PS3s, then neither of those games will have sold as they have in the past. Again using metacritic as a medium for your examples, you do realize many of those same green rated games newer versions have come out on Wii are basically on par with those past games yet are below the yellow?  Why is that? For one more reviews, statistically the more reviews you have the lower the score the game gets.  Two yet again I stress how many of those games on PS2 are just sports or rehashed games that came out year after year, that got rated high for PS2 (PS2's highest rated game is Tony Hawk 3 for example) that just don't get those kinds of ratings on Wii, media bias?  Maybe?  Opinions change?  Could be that too, but using that as a medium for so and so is better then so and so is a terrible way to judge. Now actually talking about sales, Wii is the fastest selling console, beating the DS which beat the PS2, the DS is set on trumping the PS2, what will this gen suddenly be shorter then the last and therefore Wii not have enough time to outsell the PS2, which mind you if the console generations changed that quickly and hardware got stronger, the developers that are already hurting because of development costs would refuse and would be a terrible move on any console makers part.  As it would go the way of the Atari Jaguars, the 3DO's and such.

 

Paragraph one.  Quite a few of those may be sports games, but quite a few of those are rpgs and strategy rpgs and action games and adventure games, and in even more genres.  I would say the PS2 has more green strategy roleplaying games and japanese roleplaying games than any other console on Metacritic.

So, then you would advocate that if someone wants to play the games with the best graphics, etc, then they should invest in high-end pcs?

 

txrattlesnake said: MaxwellGT2000 said: txrattlesnake said: MaxwellGT2000 said: txrattlesnake said: MaxwellGT2000 said: Yet again not fact checking as the Wii sold 50 million units to retailers world wide around the time GDC happened, it was even in Nintendo's press conference. I have no idea what sales and review scores have to do with a game coming out please try again. And many of those highly rated games were sports titles that were the same game year after year which is why the "AAA" thing is fanboy sullshit, number of games with a diverse library that appeals to many different gamers would be a better gage as a game that hits the 5's and 6's can still appeal to many people and be very enjoyable.  I could bring up the fact again that not a single PS3 game has sold a million in Japan but that would just be a low blow :P Well, if you're going by numbers shipped to retailers, then the PS3 has sold more consoles than the amount listed on the front of this page too. There will be 4 million + PS3s sold in Japan by next January, and that means the ability for any PS3 title to sell a million copies there goes up just that much more. My main point with the Wii will sell 100 million copies remark was basically that it will only have sold 100 million copies while this gen is still viable. It won't sell as many consoles as the PS2 while it still matters and it will have a harder time reaching its second fifty million than it did its first. And this analysis comes from what?  Your gut feeling?  Your list of facts to back this up is astounding... oh wait... About the Wii it mainly comes from my gut feeling based on what games I expect to come to the console in the future. Of course, I have to admit the Wii could continue to defy my expectations as it pretty much has everybody else's and be the best selling console of all time with the fewest number of reasons to pick one up of any best selling console in any gen. I will predict that it won't have 500+ green rated games at Metacritic as the PS2 has especially since it only has a small percentage of that at this point in its lifespan. About the fact that GT5 and the two Final Fantasies should move PS3 units it comes from looking at sales for past GT and FF games. If FF and GT don't move PS3s, then neither of those games will have sold as they have in the past. Again using metacritic as a medium for your examples, you do realize many of those same green rated games newer versions have come out on Wii are basically on par with those past games yet are below the yellow?  Why is that? For one more reviews, statistically the more reviews you have the lower the score the game gets.  Two yet again I stress how many of those games on PS2 are just sports or rehashed games that came out year after year, that got rated high for PS2 (PS2's highest rated game is Tony Hawk 3 for example) that just don't get those kinds of ratings on Wii, media bias?  Maybe?  Opinions change?  Could be that too, but using that as a medium for so and so is better then so and so is a terrible way to judge. Now actually talking about sales, Wii is the fastest selling console, beating the DS which beat the PS2, the DS is set on trumping the PS2, what will this gen suddenly be shorter then the last and therefore Wii not have enough time to outsell the PS2, which mind you if the console generations changed that quickly and hardware got stronger, the developers that are already hurting because of development costs would refuse and would be a terrible move on any console makers part.  As it would go the way of the Atari Jaguars, the 3DO's and such.   Paragraph one.  Quite a few of those may be sports games, but quite a few of those are rpgs and strategy rpgs and action games and adventure games, and in even more genres.  I would say the PS2 has more green strategy roleplaying games and japanese roleplaying games than any other console on Metacritic. So, then you would advocate that if someone wants to play the games with the best graphics, etc, then they should invest in high-end pcs?

Uhm no, I don't see where you even got that from >_> consoles were made for the mass market casual gamers, the day that every console released they were already underperforming PCs... I was stating that whenever you try to make a leap especially with power, you force developers into thinking they need to get the most out of said system, which raises development costs, those costs are already at an all time high, it's putting many companies out of business, EA with over 20 million sellers last year was in the red somehow, there are real issues going on here the development costs have grown too fast in too short of a period... this generation better last a while so many companies can recuperate and next gen better not spike like this one did or the industry itself will crash.

MaxwellGT2000 said: txrattlesnake said: MaxwellGT2000 said: txrattlesnake said: MaxwellGT2000 said: txrattlesnake said: MaxwellGT2000 said: Yet again not fact checking as the Wii sold 50 million units to retailers world wide around the time GDC happened, it was even in Nintendo's press conference. I have no idea what sales and review scores have to do with a game coming out please try again. And many of those highly rated games were sports titles that were the same game year after year which is why the "AAA" thing is fanboy sullshit, number of games with a diverse library that appeals to many different gamers would be a better gage as a game that hits the 5's and 6's can still appeal to many people and be very enjoyable.  I could bring up the fact again that not a single PS3 game has sold a million in Japan but that would just be a low blow :P Well, if you're going by numbers shipped to retailers, then the PS3 has sold more consoles than the amount listed on the front of this page too. There will be 4 million + PS3s sold in Japan by next January, and that means the ability for any PS3 title to sell a million copies there goes up just that much more. My main point with the Wii will sell 100 million copies remark was basically that it will only have sold 100 million copies while this gen is still viable. It won't sell as many consoles as the PS2 while it still matters and it will have a harder time reaching its second fifty million than it did its first. And this analysis comes from what?  Your gut feeling?  Your list of facts to back this up is astounding... oh wait... About the Wii it mainly comes from my gut feeling based on what games I expect to come to the console in the future. Of course, I have to admit the Wii could continue to defy my expectations as it pretty much has everybody else's and be the best selling console of all time with the fewest number of reasons to pick one up of any best selling console in any gen. I will predict that it won't have 500+ green rated games at Metacritic as the PS2 has especially since it only has a small percentage of that at this point in its lifespan. About the fact that GT5 and the two Final Fantasies should move PS3 units it comes from looking at sales for past GT and FF games. If FF and GT don't move PS3s, then neither of those games will have sold as they have in the past. Again using metacritic as a medium for your examples, you do realize many of those same green rated games newer versions have come out on Wii are basically on par with those past games yet are below the yellow?  Why is that? For one more reviews, statistically the more reviews you have the lower the score the game gets.  Two yet again I stress how many of those games on PS2 are just sports or rehashed games that came out year after year, that got rated high for PS2 (PS2's highest rated game is Tony Hawk 3 for example) that just don't get those kinds of ratings on Wii, media bias?  Maybe?  Opinions change?  Could be that too, but using that as a medium for so and so is better then so and so is a terrible way to judge. Now actually talking about sales, Wii is the fastest selling console, beating the DS which beat the PS2, the DS is set on trumping the PS2, what will this gen suddenly be shorter then the last and therefore Wii not have enough time to outsell the PS2, which mind you if the console generations changed that quickly and hardware got stronger, the developers that are already hurting because of development costs would refuse and would be a terrible move on any console makers part.  As it would go the way of the Atari Jaguars, the 3DO's and such.   Paragraph one.  Quite a few of those may be sports games, but quite a few of those are rpgs and strategy rpgs and action games and adventure games, and in even more genres.  I would say the PS2 has more green strategy roleplaying games and japanese roleplaying games than any other console on Metacritic. So, then you would advocate that if someone wants to play the games with the best graphics, etc, then they should invest in high-end pcs?   Uhm no, I don't see where you even got that from >_> consoles were made for the mass market casual gamers, the day that every console released they were already underperforming PCs... I was stating that whenever you try to make a leap especially with power, you force developers into thinking they need to get the most out of said system, which raises development costs, those costs are already at an all time high, it's putting many companies out of business, EA with over 20 million sellers last year was in the red somehow, there are real issues going on here the development costs have grown too fast in too short of a period... this generation better last a while so many companies can recuperate and next gen better not spike like this one did or the industry itself will crash.

      Well, the results of a poll that someone was published on this site not too long ago where they asked people if they thought they would be more likely to buy a PS4 if it was a graphical powerhouse that was the same leap in technology as the PS3 over the PS2 or if they would be more likely to buy a PS4 if it was just a slightly tweaked machine like the Wii, and the vast majority of people polled said they wanted a console that was another supersystem instead of just a slightly tweaked system.  So, what do you do when more people want much better graphics, etc, yet development costs are too high?

txrattlesnake said: MaxwellGT2000 said: txrattlesnake said: MaxwellGT2000 said: txrattlesnake said: MaxwellGT2000 said: txrattlesnake said: MaxwellGT2000 said: Yet again not fact checking as the Wii sold 50 million units to retailers world wide around the time GDC happened, it was even in Nintendo's press conference. I have no idea what sales and review scores have to do with a game coming out please try again. And many of those highly rated games were sports titles that were the same game year after year which is why the "AAA" thing is fanboy sullshit, number of games with a diverse library that appeals to many different gamers would be a better gage as a game that hits the 5's and 6's can still appeal to many people and be very enjoyable.  I could bring up the fact again that not a single PS3 game has sold a million in Japan but that would just be a low blow :P Well, if you're going by numbers shipped to retailers, then the PS3 has sold more consoles than the amount listed on the front of this page too. There will be 4 million + PS3s sold in Japan by next January, and that means the ability for any PS3 title to sell a million copies there goes up just that much more. My main point with the Wii will sell 100 million copies remark was basically that it will only have sold 100 million copies while this gen is still viable. It won't sell as many consoles as the PS2 while it still matters and it will have a harder time reaching its second fifty million than it did its first. And this analysis comes from what?  Your gut feeling?  Your list of facts to back this up is astounding... oh wait... About the Wii it mainly comes from my gut feeling based on what games I expect to come to the console in the future. Of course, I have to admit the Wii could continue to defy my expectations as it pretty much has everybody else's and be the best selling console of all time with the fewest number of reasons to pick one up of any best selling console in any gen. I will predict that it won't have 500+ green rated games at Metacritic as the PS2 has especially since it only has a small percentage of that at this point in its lifespan. About the fact that GT5 and the two Final Fantasies should move PS3 units it comes from looking at sales for past GT and FF games. If FF and GT don't move PS3s, then neither of those games will have sold as they have in the past. Again using metacritic as a medium for your examples, you do realize many of those same green rated games newer versions have come out on Wii are basically on par with those past games yet are below the yellow?  Why is that? For one more reviews, statistically the more reviews you have the lower the score the game gets.  Two yet again I stress how many of those games on PS2 are just sports or rehashed games that came out year after year, that got rated high for PS2 (PS2's highest rated game is Tony Hawk 3 for example) that just don't get those kinds of ratings on Wii, media bias?  Maybe?  Opinions change?  Could be that too, but using that as a medium for so and so is better then so and so is a terrible way to judge. Now actually talking about sales, Wii is the fastest selling console, beating the DS which beat the PS2, the DS is set on trumping the PS2, what will this gen suddenly be shorter then the last and therefore Wii not have enough time to outsell the PS2, which mind you if the console generations changed that quickly and hardware got stronger, the developers that are already hurting because of development costs would refuse and would be a terrible move on any console makers part.  As it would go the way of the Atari Jaguars, the 3DO's and such.   Paragraph one.  Quite a few of those may be sports games, but quite a few of those are rpgs and strategy rpgs and action games and adventure games, and in even more genres.  I would say the PS2 has more green strategy roleplaying games and japanese roleplaying games than any other console on Metacritic. So, then you would advocate that if someone wants to play the games with the best graphics, etc, then they should invest in high-end pcs?   Uhm no, I don't see where you even got that from >_> consoles were made for the mass market casual gamers, the day that every console released they were already underperforming PCs... I was stating that whenever you try to make a leap especially with power, you force developers into thinking they need to get the most out of said system, which raises development costs, those costs are already at an all time high, it's putting many companies out of business, EA with over 20 million sellers last year was in the red somehow, there are real issues going on here the development costs have grown too fast in too short of a period... this generation better last a while so many companies can recuperate and next gen better not spike like this one did or the industry itself will crash.       Well, the results of a poll that someone did where they asked people if they would be more likely to buy a PS4 if it was a graphical powerhouse that was the same leap in technology as the PS3 over the PS2 or if they would be more likely to buy a PS4 if it was just a slightly tweaked machine like the Wii, and the vast majority of people polled said they wanted a console that was another supersystem instead of just a slightly tweaked system.  So, what do you do when more people want much better graphics, etc, yet development costs are too high?

I dunno, lose all of your profits from your last console, eat into your previous one, and put many companies out of business?

Txrattlesnake, on behalf of snakes everywhere.....please stop. You're making the rest of us look bad.