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sc94597 on 25 May 2009
theprof00 said:
All you are proving is that Disney owns the characters.

If Leonardo da vinci sells the rights to the Mona Lisa to Frank Thomas, the Mona Lisa is not a Frank Thomas character, it is a leonardo da vinci character owned by frank thomas.

SE developed the Sora character, however, in the negotiations, disney ended up owning it. This does not mean that sora is disney. It's influence comes from SE and from FF, the dimension of which is inhabited by Sora.

Alright so if we go by this understanding, how does this support the idea that KH is more Final Fantasy dependant than what we've been saying? Even if by creation Sora is a Square Enix character, he is in no way a Final Fantasy one. He is a character original to KH, and should be labeled as such.



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theprof00 on 25 May 2009

How am I saying that KH is more FF dependant?

I never once said that.

The original game is based on a blend of the two worlds. (btw, I have already said that Sora is from the FF dimension, as stated in game. I've said that now three times.)

You can't take either part out of the game. It's like having halo without the covenant, Metal gear without a metal gear robot, persona without the dating, starcraft without the zerg.

Sure the games will survive without, but how much is it willing to deliniate in the future?



MaxwellGT2000 on 25 May 2009
sc94597 said:
theprof00 said:
All you are proving is that Disney owns the characters.

If Leonardo da vinci sells the rights to the Mona Lisa to Frank Thomas, the Mona Lisa is not a Frank Thomas character, it is a leonardo da vinci character owned by frank thomas.

SE developed the Sora character, however, in the negotiations, disney ended up owning it. This does not mean that sora is disney. It's influence comes from SE and from FF, the dimension of which is inhabited by Sora.

Alright so if we go by this understanding, how does this support the idea that KH is more Final Fantasy dependant than what we've been saying? Even if by creation Sora is a Square Enix character, he is in no way a Final Fantasy one. He is a character original to KH, and should be labeled as such.

Second Nomura is making 358/2 days so what the fuck is the point of your argument?  *facepalm*

 



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theprof00 on 25 May 2009

@maxwell
what does that have to do with anything?



outlawauron on 25 May 2009
Chrizum said:
darksquall2 said:
i tought the reason of kingdom hearts succes was the mix between final fantasy and disney? i love the game even without final fantasy characters but it makes the game feel special to me with ff characters. it feels empty without

The reason for the succes of Kingdom Hearts are the Disney characters and the fact that it's a quality game anyone can enjoy. That's it.

What now? Final Fantasy characters are what sold me on the game, and just about everyone else I know. It's what actually drew RPG fans.



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MaxwellGT2000 on 25 May 2009
theprof00 said:
@maxwell
what does that have to do with anything?

You said Sora isn't Disney cause he's made by Nomura, Nomura is making 358/2 days, therefore you're not lacking his "Final Fantasy side" just you lack side characters that do very little for the story once you start going to the Diney worlds, you have Traverse Town where the biggest collection of FF characters are and after that it's disney and most of the story is based around disney characters and worlds... then you have the main characters that will be in 358/2 days, so tell me what legitimate part of the story or game 358/2 days or Birth By Sleep is losing?



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theprof00 on 25 May 2009

@Soriku

I commend you. I do feel exactly the same way, but 358 is pretty much a new IP. It has room to do things differently. :P



theprof00 on 25 May 2009
MaxwellGT2000 said:
theprof00 said:
@maxwell
what does that have to do with anything?

You said Sora isn't Disney cause he's made by Nomura, Nomura is making 358/2 days, therefore you're not lacking his "Final Fantasy side" just you lack side characters that do very little for the story once you start going to the Diney worlds, you have Traverse Town where the biggest collection of FF characters are and after that it's disney and most of the story is based around disney characters and worlds... then you have the main characters that will be in 358/2 days, so tell me what legitimate part of the story or game 358/2 days or Birth By Sleep is losing?

358 is a separate IP. get a grip.



MaxwellGT2000 on 25 May 2009
theprof00 said:
MaxwellGT2000 said:
theprof00 said:
@maxwell
what does that have to do with anything?

You said Sora isn't Disney cause he's made by Nomura, Nomura is making 358/2 days, therefore you're not lacking his "Final Fantasy side" just you lack side characters that do very little for the story once you start going to the Diney worlds, you have Traverse Town where the biggest collection of FF characters are and after that it's disney and most of the story is based around disney characters and worlds... then you have the main characters that will be in 358/2 days, so tell me what legitimate part of the story or game 358/2 days or Birth By Sleep is losing?

358 is a separate IP. get a grip.

You know if you didn't post things in such a asshole way you'd get more positive responses, I just think you like to start shit... grow up man, the way you're talking I would doubt you even played a Kingdom Hearts game...



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theprof00 on 25 May 2009

ok I'm sorry I didn't realize we were talking about 358. It's 4am here.

The next Kingdom hearts installment would be stupid to keep out ff characters. 358 and the psp one are pretty much side stories. I apologize.