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Kasz216 on 23 May 2009
ShadowSoldier said:
I actually agree with what Starcraft is saying. Pirating games is WRONG and it's fucking up the industry.

Wrong yes.  Fucking up the industry... not if the research and current economic theory is any indication.

Now used games... that's costing some money.



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starcraft on 23 May 2009
ssj12 said:
starcraft said:

I know this is contentious, but the whole premise of this site and the industry it supports is innovation, competition, investment and depth within the gaming industry.  Whatever the disagreement over to what extent, there is no denying the piracy and console modding costs this industry a tonne of money, and inevitability results in sackings, game cancellations and a lack of innovation.


At the very least, people admitting to piracy on VGChartz are being granted a forum to advocate their illegal and disruptive actions.

Half this site would be banned... including a good portion of the mod team. Remember if your banning for piracy you would also have to ban for piracy from other industries which would include music and software. I'm pretty sure 95% of this community has or have downloaded music illegally before.

Your understanding of the term console modding is way to general of a subject as there are different forms of modding. There is the modding to change the look of a console. A great example of this is Queen Elizabeth's gold plated Nintendo Wii. By the way you make it sound Nintendo should ban her friend code from use because it doesn't look like the manufacturer intended. There is also the modding, which I support, which allows a user to do things they can't normally do like use Windows XP on the PSP. I see no reason why console manufacturers have any right to tell you what you can or cannot do with a product you purchased.

Doing illegal things like downloading games and playing them is a different being in terms of law. It is going against copyright laws. This is what the industry should be fighting, not general modification of a game device that you own.

Are you kidding? Why on earth would a video game site have to take an in principle opposition to film and music piracy?

I already established in a post further down the thread that I meant console modding for the purpose of piracy.



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Lostplanet22 on 23 May 2009

Video games also have music. How many on this site downloaded JRPG music? That is also not really helping the industry.



 

Beoulve on 23 May 2009
Son1x said:
Modding doesn't always mean piracy though. I, for example, modded my PS1, not that I could play games for free, but so I could play all the JRPG's that never made it to Europe. Which is pretty much most of them with the exception of FF's.

Yeah, me too. But it was hard finding import copies of all the games I wanted, and they were generally very expensve, so I did own a huge amount of pirate games as well that my brother bought in the American camp while serving as a peace soldier in Bosnia or that I downloaded through different IRC channels. That doesn't justify my actions, but still... I have however legally bought all the games for my NES, SNES, PS2, GBA, PSP (I don't own a PSP, but I have FFTactics :P), DS and X360. I even bought some of the games I played illegally for the PS1.

 

I don't necessarily think pirates and modders should be banned, but it's really retarded when they brag about piracy.



liquidninja on 23 May 2009

It's actually legal to copy copyrighted stuff for non-comercial use as long as it doesn't have a substantial market effect. This is coverd by Fair Use.

So giving a copy to a couple your friends is legal.

but

Giving copies to several of your friends is illegal.

Giving a copy to any of your friends in exchange for money is illegal.

Of course any tampering with "DRM"/"copy protection" is illegal now thanks to the DMCA.



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Akvod on 23 May 2009
starcraft said:
ssj12 said:
starcraft said:

I know this is contentious, but the whole premise of this site and the industry it supports is innovation, competition, investment and depth within the gaming industry.  Whatever the disagreement over to what extent, there is no denying the piracy and console modding costs this industry a tonne of money, and inevitability results in sackings, game cancellations and a lack of innovation.


At the very least, people admitting to piracy on VGChartz are being granted a forum to advocate their illegal and disruptive actions.

Half this site would be banned... including a good portion of the mod team. Remember if your banning for piracy you would also have to ban for piracy from other industries which would include music and software. I'm pretty sure 95% of this community has or have downloaded music illegally before.

Your understanding of the term console modding is way to general of a subject as there are different forms of modding. There is the modding to change the look of a console. A great example of this is Queen Elizabeth's gold plated Nintendo Wii. By the way you make it sound Nintendo should ban her friend code from use because it doesn't look like the manufacturer intended. There is also the modding, which I support, which allows a user to do things they can't normally do like use Windows XP on the PSP. I see no reason why console manufacturers have any right to tell you what you can or cannot do with a product you purchased.

Doing illegal things like downloading games and playing them is a different being in terms of law. It is going against copyright laws. This is what the industry should be fighting, not general modification of a game device that you own.

Are you kidding? Why on earth would a video game site have to take an in principle opposition to film and music piracy?

I already established in a post further down the thread that I meant console modding for the purpose of pirac


Because if we're going to be so high and mighty, and ban people for the purpose of justice and morality, we shouldn't limit our selves to self interest. Doing so itself is immoral and unjust.



Beoulve on 23 May 2009
Akvod said:
starcraft said:
ssj12 said:
starcraft said:

I know this is contentious, but the whole premise of this site and the industry it supports is innovation, competition, investment and depth within the gaming industry.  Whatever the disagreement over to what extent, there is no denying the piracy and console modding costs this industry a tonne of money, and inevitability results in sackings, game cancellations and a lack of innovation.


At the very least, people admitting to piracy on VGChartz are being granted a forum to advocate their illegal and disruptive actions.

Half this site would be banned... including a good portion of the mod team. Remember if your banning for piracy you would also have to ban for piracy from other industries which would include music and software. I'm pretty sure 95% of this community has or have downloaded music illegally before.

Your understanding of the term console modding is way to general of a subject as there are different forms of modding. There is the modding to change the look of a console. A great example of this is Queen Elizabeth's gold plated Nintendo Wii. By the way you make it sound Nintendo should ban her friend code from use because it doesn't look like the manufacturer intended. There is also the modding, which I support, which allows a user to do things they can't normally do like use Windows XP on the PSP. I see no reason why console manufacturers have any right to tell you what you can or cannot do with a product you purchased.

Doing illegal things like downloading games and playing them is a different being in terms of law. It is going against copyright laws. This is what the industry should be fighting, not general modification of a game device that you own.

Are you kidding? Why on earth would a video game site have to take an in principle opposition to film and music piracy?

I already established in a post further down the thread that I meant console modding for the purpose of pirac


Because if we're going to be so high and mighty, and ban people for the purpose of justice and morality, we shouldn't limit our selves to self interest. Doing so itself is immoral and unjust.

Yeah, I agree. Otherwise it's just hypocrisy.



starcraft on 23 May 2009
Beoulve said:
Akvod said:
starcraft said:
ssj12 said:
starcraft said:

I know this is contentious, but the whole premise of this site and the industry it supports is innovation, competition, investment and depth within the gaming industry.  Whatever the disagreement over to what extent, there is no denying the piracy and console modding costs this industry a tonne of money, and inevitability results in sackings, game cancellations and a lack of innovation.


At the very least, people admitting to piracy on VGChartz are being granted a forum to advocate their illegal and disruptive actions.

Half this site would be banned... including a good portion of the mod team. Remember if your banning for piracy you would also have to ban for piracy from other industries which would include music and software. I'm pretty sure 95% of this community has or have downloaded music illegally before.

Your understanding of the term console modding is way to general of a subject as there are different forms of modding. There is the modding to change the look of a console. A great example of this is Queen Elizabeth's gold plated Nintendo Wii. By the way you make it sound Nintendo should ban her friend code from use because it doesn't look like the manufacturer intended. There is also the modding, which I support, which allows a user to do things they can't normally do like use Windows XP on the PSP. I see no reason why console manufacturers have any right to tell you what you can or cannot do with a product you purchased.

Doing illegal things like downloading games and playing them is a different being in terms of law. It is going against copyright laws. This is what the industry should be fighting, not general modification of a game device that you own.

Are you kidding? Why on earth would a video game site have to take an in principle opposition to film and music piracy?

I already established in a post further down the thread that I meant console modding for the purpose of pirac


Because if we're going to be so high and mighty, and ban people for the purpose of justice and morality, we shouldn't limit our selves to self interest. Doing so itself is immoral and unjust.

Yeah, I agree. Otherwise it's just hypocrisy.

On the contrary.  Self-interest is exactly what I'm advocating.

Protect the industry we're hear to care about. 



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infamous8 on 23 May 2009

No.



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pearljammer on 23 May 2009
Akvod said:
starcraft said:
ssj12 said:
starcraft said:

I know this is contentious, but the whole premise of this site and the industry it supports is innovation, competition, investment and depth within the gaming industry.  Whatever the disagreement over to what extent, there is no denying the piracy and console modding costs this industry a tonne of money, and inevitability results in sackings, game cancellations and a lack of innovation.


At the very least, people admitting to piracy on VGChartz are being granted a forum to advocate their illegal and disruptive actions.

Half this site would be banned... including a good portion of the mod team. Remember if your banning for piracy you would also have to ban for piracy from other industries which would include music and software. I'm pretty sure 95% of this community has or have downloaded music illegally before.

Your understanding of the term console modding is way to general of a subject as there are different forms of modding. There is the modding to change the look of a console. A great example of this is Queen Elizabeth's gold plated Nintendo Wii. By the way you make it sound Nintendo should ban her friend code from use because it doesn't look like the manufacturer intended. There is also the modding, which I support, which allows a user to do things they can't normally do like use Windows XP on the PSP. I see no reason why console manufacturers have any right to tell you what you can or cannot do with a product you purchased.

Doing illegal things like downloading games and playing them is a different being in terms of law. It is going against copyright laws. This is what the industry should be fighting, not general modification of a game device that you own.

Are you kidding? Why on earth would a video game site have to take an in principle opposition to film and music piracy?

I already established in a post further down the thread that I meant console modding for the purpose of pirac


Because if we're going to be so high and mighty, and ban people for the purpose of justice and morality, we shouldn't limit our selves to self interest. Doing so itself is immoral and unjust.

Well said. Both yourself and vagabond's posts pretty much sum up my feelings on the matter.

I almost find this high-n-mighty attitude as distasteful as those who actually brag about pirating... well, that's a gross exaggeration, but I do mean it to some extent.