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Sardauk on 18 May 2009
Squilliam said:

 

- Its relevant because people say the Xbox 360 is performing poorly relative to its price difference, however once you factor out the region which doesn't seem to want to buy the Xbox 360 at any price and look at the relative sales in the other regions where both consoles can sell well it changes the metric.

 

 

 

Good point.



 

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placidcasual on 18 May 2009

Why do't you look at the sales without America?

Japan exists. Get over it. Japan did not make a collective choice not to buy an XBox. They just don't rate it which is their right.



papflesje on 18 May 2009

@ squill: I think you have to accept placid's comment on this. Yes, Japan is not Xbox-friendly, but you could say the same thing about the US and Sony this generation. The fact is that it's worldwide and that that includes Japan (too bad for the Xbox) and US (too bad for Sony this generation)...


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Pinab on 18 May 2009

That's a rather odd thing to say, and it could be said about any area at certain times, couldn't it?

Here's a chart of the different machines market shares in each area (I forgot why I originally put it in here... )

Wii:

Japan: 16.2%
Americas: 46.4%
Others: 37.4%

Ps3:

Japan: 14.2%
Americas: 38.4%
Others: 47.4%

X360:

Japan: 0.3%
Americas: 57.1%
Others: 39.4%

DS:

Japan: 25.8%
Americas: 34%
Others: 40.1%

PsP:

Japan: 25.7%
Americas: 35.3%
Others: 39%

 

So a few things:

1. Your belief that the PsP is more Japan centered than the DS are incorrect. They may be slightly more so at the moment, but that isn't very relevant.

2. The Ps3's relatively set largest market (compared to the others) is definitely Others, not Japan.

3. If you go by population, the percentage split "should" be something ala

Japan: 12.5% (125M population)
Americas: 35%(350M population)
Others: 50% (~ 500M active (as in, likely to buy a machine) population)

It's rather obvious which console fits under this describtion the best. So, in that sense, the Ps3 is the most worldwide console - it sells equally much (pr habitant) in each area. The DS is (roughly) tied with the X360 for the least worldwide appealing machine (relatively to the its appeal in other areas).

(I'm sorry for using so much space and not saying more, but I forgot my main point - sorry!)



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libellule on 18 May 2009

Ps3:

Japan: 14.2%
Americas: 38.4%
Others: 47.4%

X360:

Japan: 0.3%
Americas: 57.1%
Others: 39.4%


==> yeah, let's make the same without NA ...



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TWRoO on 18 May 2009

Something I don't understand is why people argue "PS3 is doing better than X360 when you consider price" but then go on to argue that the "PS3 is better value because you get more features out of the box"


I am not agreeing with Squilliam here though, I can see where he is coming from but I don't believe it is a useful line of thought.... either look at eachregion seperately or all together.



Sardauk on 18 May 2009
TWRoO said:
Something I don't understand is why people argue "PS3 is doing better than X360 when you consider price" but then go on to argue that the "PS3 is better value because you get more features out of the box"

 

Every month it is a new excuse for the pS3...

IMO, a price cut doesn't reflect proportionally on the total sales figures... it is absurd...



 

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realill on 18 May 2009

Yeah and XBox 360 needs NA. Let's cut it out of the statistic and see what will happen.



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papflesje on 18 May 2009
TWRoO said:

Something I don't understand is why people argue "PS3 is doing better than X360 when you consider price" but then go on to argue that the "PS3 is better value because you get more features out of the box"


I am not agreeing with Squilliam here though, I can see where he is coming from but I don't believe it is a useful line of thought.... either look at eachregion seperately or all together.

 

Why would one argumentation nullify the other one?

Besides, not necessarily every fan will argue both points.

 

Someone might claim that the PS3 is doing okay / good / better than the 360, especially considering the price points of the two consoles. That same person might also say that the PS3 also holds more value than the 360. The second point might even be a reason why the PS3 is doing this "good" compared to the cheaper 360. I don't see where your comment comes from tbh.

Yeah, sardauk, yeah sure....



Squilliam on 18 May 2009
libellule said:
Squilliam said:

The Xbox 360 average price is about 33% cheaper than the PS3 in the United States and the sales difference is about the same.

OK

In the United Kingdom going by Wikipedia the average sale price is probably roughly $169 vs $299 for the PS3 and Europe is probably $200 vs $400 for the PS3. The difference here is 'only' 20% in favour of the Xbox 360 however the real price difference is much closer than that as Europe has a higher wireless adoption rate from what I've seen and the Xbox 360 has extra costs associated such as wireless and Live and no Blu Ray so the likely real cost of the systems is probably much closer than the prices indicate.

LOL, much closer my ass ! At the end most of the people buying the Arcade sku are not gonna play much online or buy extra storage hdd. At the end, you have no clue about what people do or not do. So you can't make speculation about what people buy or not. Again, some free extra spinning ...

the SKU becomes a lot more popular at that time as a gift for children/whatever and cheaper becomes an important point.

 cheaper is always an important point ...

 

 

You accuse me of spinning? Theres as much speculation coming from you as from me if we hold it to a strict standard.

Cheaper is not always the most important point, for example the last best information on the SKU split for the Xbox 360 was from pachter and average price of the Xbox 360 as stated by him was $290 in the United States. Its a complicated issue and there are multiple factors which work for and against consoles. If both consoles came with DVD and no wireless out of the box then there would be far more merit to the simple statements about one being cheaper than the other.

@Pinab: Thats the overall market share as it stands right now per region? Then perhaps the market conditions world wide have changed so therefore we could expect those numbers to change right? Anyway a more accurate number would be the 6 monthly or yearly market share per region I think anyway.

@PapflesJe: The difference between the United States and Japan is that stating the PS3 could lead the Xbox 360 there is a reasonable statement to make, and it has done so in the past on a monthly or weekly basis. The Xbox 360 on the other hand could never find acceptence in the Japanese market so that will always be Sonys strong point over Microsoft no matter what happens. So for someone to compare the world wide performance of the two without understanding that point, they would be decieving themselves.

VGChartz Hardware data for the period 04th Oct 2008 to 03rd Jan 2009:

 

Console PS3 X360
Total
3,900,383
6,004,081
America
1,556,840
3,147,679
Japan
367,837
150,484
Total Others
1,975,706
2,705,918

VGChartz Hardware percentages for the period 04th Oct 2008 to 03rd Jan 2009:

Console PS3 X360
Total
3,900,383
6,004,081
America
 40%
52.5%
Japan
9%
2.5%
Total Others
 51%

45%


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