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1337 Gamer said:
selnor said:
1337 Gamer said:
Leonidus said:
selnor said:
RPG said:
You really have an issue with Gran Turismo don't you selnor? Unless Yamauchi ran over your dog you really need to give it a rest.

I played and liked GT series. It's not the best though. Recent years have seen GT as not even a AAA title.

90+ Meta is pretty much what this site refers to as AAA game.

GT4 = 89 Meta.

GT HD Concept = 82 Meta.

GT5P = 80 Meta

So The series currently hasnt been AAA since GT3.

I like the games, but there is better on the market.

Forza 1 GT4's direct competition scored 92 Meta.

Forza 2 = 90 Meta.

I refuse to go with fanboy nonsense it's the be all end all racing game. Even Critics have called the last full game and last 2 half games below 9/10.

 

 

Regardless of any metacritic or review scores, GT is seen as the best racing game......period. Far more people will diagree with this post of yours than will agree. Its not 'fanboy nonsense'.........its the honest opinion of millions

 

yes but then opinion is not fact!! You both are trying to substitute fact with opinion. Just because millions of people think halo is the best shooter dosnt mean that its the best for everyone.

 

Refers to my post before this one. 3 up I think.

Morpheus answers this for me. :)

 

woops u must have posted it just b4 i did. But nice quote man its a classic!! I think u proved your point about Forza vs GT and sometimes you just cant get people to listen to logic and reason

 

Yeah cheers man. I pretty much reacted the way I did because loads of people talk about GT as the be all end all. When thats probably the only sim they have played. Forza has half the sales of GT so at least 4-5 million people would vote for GT purley because they havent ever played Forza. Ask the 4-5illion people that have played both Forza and GT and I believe the result of answers would be basically the same as what the reviewers thought. In others words in line with Metacritic. People have to remember that Metacritic reviewers have played Forza 1, Forza 2, GTR 2 and GT4 and GT5P. So they are in a good place for an informed decision of average of opinions. Whereas most people who just come out and say GT is the best have a high percentage chance that GT is all they have ever played, and never even finished half of a Forza game or even played GTR2 for example.

The same applies to Halo. But Halo continues to get high 90's from Metacritic whereas GT doesnt. That surely shows that the reviewers broadened opinion has some measure with it. Even if like me you think reviewers have started to suck.

 



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Funny how Selnor ignored me after what I said in my post.



AE86 said:

Isn't it funny how every single graphics thread Selnor makes turns into a 100+ post mud slinging fest?

You can always tell a Selnor thread; cherry-picked pictures to make the 360 exclusives look the best, multiplatforms somewhere in the middle, and PS3 exclusives look like shit. HILARIOUS metacritic comparisons. The words "best looking game", "AAA", and "metacritic" are thrown around constantly, Selnor makes tons of statements that he knows are ridiculous and wrong and hopes nobody notices, then he ignores people who call him out on it because he knows he can't defend himself. The thread usually ends (after about 200 posts) with Selnor half admitting he was wrong at some point, and everybody ends up slightly angrier than they were before.

Selnor you really have to cool it on the fanboyism, maybe if you did then 90% of the thread wouldn't devoted to people laughing at you for making such ludicrous statements.

Although I must admit, these threads are entertaining. I laughed so hard when I saw you compared the metacritics of Forza 1 to GT4....If thats not the definition of cherry picking then I don't know what is.

I say we lock every single graphics thread (or every thread period) created by Selnor in the future, and instead have him pass the idea on to an unbiased person and have that person create said thread.

QFT.

 

It feels so good to prove someone is wrong on the internet.

 

 

 



Wow those screenshots look nice.



NanakiXI said:
FKNetwork said:
It looks like GRID but not as good, plus with it being a need for speed game you just know it will get a poor review and will be forgotten about rather quickly lol.

 

But it will always sell more than it deserves. lol

I really hope they can change things up and make the license a fun game again.

Same here, I loved the "old" NFS games but have gone downhill ever since,

I remember playing hot pursuit on the pc back in 2003 and being amazed how the police chased you etc lol.

 



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kanariya said:
AE86 said:

Isn't it funny how every single graphics thread Selnor makes turns into a 100+ post mud slinging fest?

You can always tell a Selnor thread; cherry-picked pictures to make the 360 exclusives look the best, multiplatforms somewhere in the middle, and PS3 exclusives look like shit. HILARIOUS metacritic comparisons. The words "best looking game", "AAA", and "metacritic" are thrown around constantly, Selnor makes tons of statements that he knows are ridiculous and wrong and hopes nobody notices, then he ignores people who call him out on it because he knows he can't defend himself. The thread usually ends (after about 200 posts) with Selnor half admitting he was wrong at some point, and everybody ends up slightly angrier than they were before.

Selnor you really have to cool it on the fanboyism, maybe if you did then 90% of the thread wouldn't devoted to people laughing at you for making such ludicrous statements.

Although I must admit, these threads are entertaining. I laughed so hard when I saw you compared the metacritics of Forza 1 to GT4....If thats not the definition of cherry picking then I don't know what is.

I say we lock every single graphics thread (or every thread period) created by Selnor in the future, and instead have him pass the idea on to an unbiased person and have that person create said thread.

QFT.

 

It feels so good to prove someone is wrong on the internet.

 

 

 

Actually Mr AE86 I ignored you. Why? Because anyone on here can see with half a brain that your fanboyism is brimming with quality.

Isnt't it funny that every single graphics thread AE86 enters turns into 360 cant do that?

You can always tell when AE86 has entered the thread; He tries to disregard ANY 360 shot that looks remotely close or better than KZ2, Uncharted,GT5P or MGS4. HILARIOUS metacriticphobia strikes whenever a Playstation game is not doing well there, but mysteriously as many others do, wont mention the use of Metacritics if it shows PS3 games in good light. The words "best looking game", "AAA", and "metacritic" are thrown around constantly when a PS3 exclusive does well, and AE86 makes tons of accusations because he knows he did the same thing at school when little joe billy disagreed which flavour ice cream was the best. These threads usually end (after about 200 posts) with AE86 getting a few laughs from his PS3 following chums NEVER admitting he was wrong at some point, and everybody ends up slightly angrier than they were before. 

AE86 you really have to cool it on the fanboyism, maybe if you did then 90% of the thread wouldn't BE devoted to people laughing at you for making such ludicrous statements.

Although I must admit, these posts are entertaining. I laughed so hard when I saw you say the metacritics of Forza 1 to GT4 was laughable. It's the only logical way to comapre the 2 games. Let me guess you would compare Killzone 2 to Doom 2? LOL 

 I say we lock every single post (or every thread period) created by AE86 in the future, and instead have him pass the idea on to an unbiased person and have that person create said thread. That way the PS3 bias would be one less.:)



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selnor said:

Actually Mr AE86 I ignored you. Why? Because anyone on here can see with half a brain that your fanboyism is brimming with quality.

Isnt't it funny that every single graphics thread AE86 enters turns into 360 cant do that?

You can always tell when AE86 has entered the thread; He tries to disregard ANY 360 shot that looks remotely close or better than KZ2, Uncharted,GT5P or MGS4. HILARIOUS metacriticphobia strikes whenever a Playstation game is not doing well there, but mysteriously as many others do, wont mention the use of Metacritics if it shows PS3 games in good light. The words "best looking game", "AAA", and "metacritic" are thrown around constantly when a PS3 exclusive does well, and AE86 makes tons of accusations because he knows he did the same thing at school when little joe billy disagreed which flavour ice cream was the best. These threads usually end (after about 200 posts) with AE86 getting a few laughs from his PS3 following chums NEVER admitting he was wrong at some point, and everybody ends up slightly angrier than they were before. 

AE86 you really have to cool it on the fanboyism, maybe if you did then 90% of the thread wouldn't BE devoted to people laughing at you for making such ludicrous statements.

Although I must admit, these posts are entertaining. I laughed so hard when I saw you say the metacritics of Forza 1 to GT4 was laughable. It's the only logical way to comapre the 2 games. Let me guess you would compare Killzone 2 to Doom 2? LOL 

 I say we lock every single post (or every thread period) created by AE86 in the future, and instead have him pass the idea on to an unbiased person and have that person create said thread. That way the PS3 bias would be one less.:)


Terrible, just terrible.



1. I have a 360 and I enjoy it quite a bit.

2. I don't make threads.

3. I never argued graphics in this thread. I only made a wager which apparently people aren't willing to accept because they know as well as I do that Shift won't look as good as GT5:P when its released on consoles.

4. Use of metacritic is fine, when comparisons are done properly (i.e. not what you do)

5. I don't think I've ever said best looking game and I rarely use the term AAA.

6. My fanboyism is brimming with quality? WTF does that mean?

7. I don't think theres ever been a thread devoted to people laughing at me. You on the other hand...

8. Forza 1 and GT4 is the only logical way to compare the games? WTF!

A. You pick the first game out of a series and pit it against the fourth.

B. You don't pick the latest version of Forza, but you do pick the latest full version of GT.

C. You pick the highest scoring game from the Forza camp, and the lowest scoring full game from the GT camp.

Nothing logical about that, just pure fanboyism.

 



selnor said:

 

Lets not do this. All the bloody fanboys that stated Fable 2 was not AAA due to it not having 90 or above on Meta. Dont now tell me because it makes the mighty fanboys GT series look bad the most common knowledge thing on this site is now disregarded.

90+ Meta has always been viewed on this site as AAA FACT.

Fable 2 was drowned by PS3 owners because Meta it scored 89. FACT.

GT Series has been losing in quailty to Forza since Forza has been here. Meta says FACT.

 

No....starcraft started that as a means (aka talking point) to make the 360 library seems VASTLY superior to the PS3 library...and it just kinda stuck

 



Kantor said:
selnor said:
Munkeh111 said:
selnor said:
Leonidus said:
And Selnor :

Gran Turismo - 96
Gran Turismo 2 - 93
Gran Turismo 3-A spec - 95
Gran Turismo 4 -8 89 (basically 90)

Like I said in my post. last AAA GT game was GT3 a Spec. Problem is other racing games started to come out, and GT wasnt all that then. It's still a good series but it's last attempts are not at the forefront of the racing genre. With games like Forza, GTR 2, And we'll see how Shift does it's much harder for GT series to impress. And so far since Forza came along it's lost in Metacritics.

What really matters is that GT is a much much bigger seller than Forza. We can't really compare sales of the latest 2, GT 5 Prologue and Forza 2 as they were both bundled massively. Forza 2 sold just over 1m before its sales increased massively, most likely due to bundling, but it could have reached 1.5m anyway (though very unlikely), it was only selling 20k a week when bundling happened. On the other hand GT 5 Prologue sold just under 1m in its first 2 weeks, and has sold over 3m. It is quite difficult to tell when it was bundled from the sales graphs, as it had a staggered launch. I am sure there are some errors in this, but it is pretty clear that Gran Turismo is far bigger, especially when you think that all of the proper GT games have sold over 9m

I agree, GT series is a monster seller. But I was talking game quality. It isnt the forefront currently. Also GT5 will not get near 9 mill sales LT. Dont see it. Release to late, And PS3 is not on gamers lips like Sony thought it would be. I think Forza 3 will score 93-94 Meta. I think GT5 may score between 88-91 based on recent trends.

 

1080p, 60fps, damage, weather change, day and night, 600 cars and 90 tracks, "Gran Turismo" in the title, the first full game on PS3, and you think it will get below 90?

This isn't Halo we're talking about! You couldn't turn GT into some random other genre and have it still sell over a million