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Jo21 said:
it won't be microsoft. thankfully either nintendo or sony.

and oh come on guys saying dualshock its a snes with sticks

its like saying the wii its a ps2 with motion sensing.

and xbox have similar controller.

 

1- The Dualshock is a SNES pad with analog sticks

2- I thinkg that Gamecube with the double of power and motion sensing would be more correct.



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@Squilliam

Thank you for this topic.

Now, to the people that say this is a bad idea, this takes away innovation, this takes away competition.

WTF?

PLEASE, listen for one time.

A ONE CONSOLE FUTURE DOES NOT TAKE AWAY COMPETITION IN ANY FORM

A one console future does not mean ONE (1) console. Why in the world people are to ignorant to understand this blows me away. A one console future means electronic companies making a machine to a spec that allows all devs to make one version of every game, and sell one sku to every consumer. Thus giving no no software or hardware manufacturer complete control. Here is an example of how this would work.

Hardware Manufacturers
-Sony
-Toshiba
-Samsung
-Panasonic
-LG
-Phillips
-Pioneer
-JVC

In the one console future we would see all of these companies competeing on the hardware side. We would see high and low end models, and a much bigger battle to get prices down. Every console would be nearly identical, just as every DVD or Blu-ray player is nearly identical. Some would feature games only, and some would do more than the PS3 and 360 do today. This would give consumers much more choices, and allow those that want a dedicated games machine to have one, and those that want an unltimate entertainment device to also see that.

Software Publishers
-Sony
-Microsoft
-Nintendo
-EA
-Activision Blizard
-THQ
-UBi Soft

Every publisher would be making games for only this one format. This would allow for a much more competitive market on the software side. No longer would people with a Microsoft console not be able to play a Sony or Nintedno game or visa versa. Every gamer would have access to every game. Stores only have to carry one sku which give them room to show more games, this allows more games to have a chance. Devs working on Multiplats no longer have to waste time making three differant games, because it is all the same platform. This means more time spent on making a better game instead of trying to create something in one form, and then make it work over and over in differant variations.

A ONE CONSOLE FUTURE ELEMINATES CONSUMER CONFUSION

This is a major problem with the games industry. People walk into a store with interest in a console, but they have interest in multiple differant games. Some of these games are exclusive to one console, some to another. Then they get told that some games on all platforms offer more on console X, but on other games, consoles y, and z have more options. With all of that said, the consumer becomes confused, frusterated, and uniterested. That is not a problem in a one console future.

ONE UNIFIDE USERBASE

A one console future eleminates the game of chance publishers take supporting one of the consoles in the current model. Having only one console allows devs, and publishers to focus all their resources in this one platform without the risk of it going up in flames.

ROYALTY FEES

In a one console future royalty fees would no longer exist for publishers, because in this system, everyone has stake in the industry instead of just one soul owner. This takes away even more of the risk, and allows devs to possibly make games cheaper in the future.

WHY ARE YOU WORRYING ABOUT INNOVATION

In this enviornment you are bringing more players into the hardware feild which makes it only more competitive, which in turns makes it even more innovative. Giving everyone stake in the industry means more companies working on what the future format is going to be able to achive, which in turn means more innovation and bigger leaps between generations.

Also controlls will not just simply be one standard. Has anyone been paying attention to the last five years. Nintendo gave us motion, and the balance board. We have seen seen developers give us a complete bands worth the instrument controllers. Sony gave us the Eye Toy, which other companies are now taking to even greater levels. Just because there is a standard controller does not mean devs are limited to that small scope. By making the industry more main stream, growing the userbase, and lowering royalties, it would give devs even more oppertunity to give you more control schemes.

WRAP-UP

A one console future is the best thing that can happen to this industry on every front. It saves wasted man power, and money. It eleminates consumer confusion. It brings more competition into the industry, and breed more innovation. Most importantly though. It gets rid of these stupid fanboy wars, and gets back to being about good games.

AND TO GET THE POINT ACROSS ONE MORE TIME

A one console future does not mean one box from one manufacture. It is a coloberation of the entire electronic indusrty, and development industry.

Squilliam, once again, thank you for bring up this topic.




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Khuutra said:
So you're saying the single console model is necessarily better, even if there's no particular incentive to attempt to improve on a given controller method?

Which is to say - you'd be okay with a Dual Shock 4?

 

Well, Sony did try to differentiate themselves by going the whole ergonomic route.

Then they got laughed at and succumbed to the jeers.  =/

Nintendo, thankfully, ignores the hateful comments and does what they want to do.  Remember the shit thrown their way before E306?  Look at 'em now.



makingmusic476 said:
Khuutra said:
So you're saying the single console model is necessarily better, even if there's no particular incentive to attempt to improve on a given controller method?

Which is to say - you'd be okay with a Dual Shock 4?

 

Well, Sony did try to differentiate themselves by going the whole ergonomic route.

Then they got laughed at and succumbed to the jeers.  =/

Nintendo, thankfully, ignores the hateful comments and does what they want to do.  Remember the shit thrown their way before E306?  Look at 'em now.

 

You must admit that's not the innovation that one is looking for



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It was still a nice improvement. Having an extremely comfortable controller without either the limitations of the DS (analog stick placement, among other things) or the 360's controller (d-pad and bulky battery pack) is an excellent step in the right direction as far as more traditional controllers go.

Plus, the the ability to throw the controller at rupees (or a beer, etc.) on far off cliffs (or in the fridge) and have it return to you bearing the targeted item is a great innovation, imo.



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scottie said:
Squilliam said:

Since consoles are so closed in and monopolistic and the console manufacturers seem intent on creating consoles cut from the same cloth as each other, there really isn't any need to have more than one console manufacturer or console standard. Its wasteful for people to own more than one console and its wasteful for publishers and developers to create games for more than one standard. Furthermore its becoming more important that a single winning format is found because the competing consoles will probably never network with each other and the competing online standards will contunue to drive a wedge between people, making it more difficult for friends to play and communicate with each other.

For several generations consoles have had pretty much identical controller schemes. This generation is different, fine but once a standard is found which makes everybody happy it will become identical in execution at least again. Sony doesn't make games on competing consoles and neither does Nintendo, but thats the least of the concerns here. I really don't care which one decides they want it badly enough or finally executes a crushing blow on the others I just want simplicity, so people can go into a retail store and buy games from one rack and retailers don't have to offer the same titles on 2-4 competing platforms at once.

The alphabetical order of suckyness goes Microsoft, Nintendo, Sony. I don't care if you love two and hate one or love all three they don't have an ordained place on the market and since consoles are monopolistic in nature there will be only one winning format in the end. Its natural for the other losing manufacturers to be kicked to the curb by the market and the previous generation was the perfect example. Add network play into the mix and you've got the possibility that one of the console manufacturers will aquire enough of a lead to make the others irrelevant and stay irrelevant due to how the network effects of online play would keep other companies from competing.

That is completely different to how I see it.

 

Step 1 - a console maker becomes dominant

Step 2 - The other console makers get kicked to the curb, dust themselves off and produce their best work ever

Step 3 - These console makers then become dominant

 

It happened to Atari, Nintendo, Sony, and it's sure as hell going to happen to Nintendo again one day (probably not for a couple of generations)

 

Competition breeds innovation

 

There was absolutely no innovation from the PS1 -> PS2 generations and yet there were 3 strong competitors. There has been competition without innovation so how exactly does that prove there will be innovation with competition? Furthermore, the more the console software market is split the fewer innovative and risky games can be produced.

Also theres no guarentee now as the software and hardware market has started to change that a console manufacturer can get back onto the horse after its fallen off of it. The more people are tied to a particular platform the harder it is for a console manufacturer which has been pushed to the outside to come back in. Multiple phone companies exist because they are interoperatable, but multiple online networked consoles will have a much harder time justifying the existance of multiple networks.

 



Tease.

Please stop fanboying, and go back and read my last post in this thread.

GET ON TOPIC



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Remember the PC....yeah....




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DS3 is the best controller ever created, if the DS4 is exactly the same, I'd be more than happy.



@ KGB, Thanks!



Tease.