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was saturn more powerful then ps1? Any way there are a lot of similarites to the N64/PS3 situation. The difference is the fact that PS3 hasn't lost Final Fantasy in Japan and it's functionality as a bluray player means people will buy it for years to come.



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Megadude said:
was saturn more powerful then ps1? Any way there are a lot of similarites to the N64/PS3 situation. The difference is the fact that PS3 hasn't lost Final Fantasy in Japan and it's functionality as a bluray player means people will buy it for years to come.

The standalone Blu-Ray players are already relatifly cheap. That function won't make the PS stand out. Once Blu-Ray will break through like DVD did, the players will be more cheaper than the PS3.



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morpheusx said:
Lord Flashheart said:
Dreamcast used GD, a 1GB proprietary format.
Why do people think it used CD.

 

 it was based off of CDROM and the discs were completely readable in your PC.  the Dreamcast quickly became the pirate console of choice in a matter of weeks just as CD writers started becoming mainstream.  Which is a major reason why the 3rd party developers quickly abandoned support and moved most everything to PS2.

 

DVDs and Blu-ray is based of CDROM tech doesn't mean they are CDs.
Being completely readable in your PC (never knew that, will have to try it) is down to the software used and manufacturing process. 
It held 1.2GB which is considerably more than a CD.

 

Turns out only certain areas are readable by CD roms.

"There are three data areas on a GD-ROM disc. The first is in conventional CD format, and usually contains an audio track with a warning that the disc is for use on a Dreamcast, not an ordinary CD player. This audio track often uses the game's character's voices in a lighthearted or humorous message (for example, Skies of Arcadia gives the message "We can't save the world from a CD player, so put us back in the Dreamcast so we can do our job!"). The CD section also contains a data segment, readable in PCs. Although most discs include only text files identifying the game, its copyright and bibliography, some contain bonus material for home computer users (for example, Sonic Adventure contains images of Sonic characters to use on the desktop). There then follows a separator track which contains no data except for the text Produced by or under license from SEGA Enterprises LTD Trademark SEGA (Similar to the SEGA Saturn, it was believed that the security key was stored in this area to prevent piracy). The final (outer) section of the disc contains the game data itself in a higher density format. This section is 112 minutes long, with a data size of 1.2 GiB."



V-r0cK said:
account2099 said:

N64 was more powerful then PS1. PS1 won.

Xbox was more powerful then PS2. PS2 won.

History has shown that the most powerful tech doesnt win because it usually leads to a higher price point. Sony was smart to make decent but not the best tech so it was mass market friendly and not as costly as optimizing for the more powerful consoles.

Now Sony seemingly spits in histories face with PS3. They make the most powerful tech and therefore have the highest asking price. To make it worse they came out a year after 360. I dont understand why Sony didnt stick to their winning formula.

My guess they thought the Bluray war was more important then video game market share, I dont know......

 

Actually Sony did with PS3 what history told them to do that they've been doing all along......bringing in the newest media format into their systems. And they brought in the newest format along with being the more expensive console.

N64 ($199) used cartridges and PS1 ($299) used CD. PS1 won.

Dreamcast ($199) used CD and PS2 ($299) used DVD. PS2 won.

Xbox360 ($299-$399) used DVD and PS3 ($499-$599) used Blu-ray.....well the war isnt over yet.

Not to say your theory is innaccurate, its just as accurate as anybody elses.

 


Sega CD and TurboGrafx-16 CD both had CD ROM before they were mainstream and they both failed miserably.

As did the CDi



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V-r0cK said:
account2099 said:

N64 was more powerful then PS1. PS1 won.

Xbox was more powerful then PS2. PS2 won.

History has shown that the most powerful tech doesnt win because it usually leads to a higher price point. Sony was smart to make decent but not the best tech so it was mass market friendly and not as costly as optimizing for the more powerful consoles.

Now Sony seemingly spits in histories face with PS3. They make the most powerful tech and therefore have the highest asking price. To make it worse they came out a year after 360. I dont understand why Sony didnt stick to their winning formula.

My guess they thought the Bluray war was more important then video game market share, I dont know......

 

Actually Sony did with PS3 what history told them to do that they've been doing all along......bringing in the newest media format into their systems. And they brought in the newest format along with being the more expensive console.

N64 ($199) used cartridges and PS1 ($299) used CD. PS1 won.

Dreamcast ($199) used CD and PS2 ($299) used DVD. PS2 won.

Xbox360 ($299-$399) used DVD and PS3 ($499-$599) used Blu-ray.....well the war isnt over yet.

Not to say your theory is innaccurate, its just as accurate as anybody elses.

 

The CD was already pretty old and cheap when the PS1 came out. The same was true for DVD when the PS2 came out. The PS3 used Blu-Ray right from when it came out.

 



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account2099 said:
Majin-Tenshinhan said:
dolemit3 said:
I didn't know that N64 was more powerful than PS1, how so?

What do you mean how so? It just is. Just like PS3 is more powerful than Wii. And GC is more powerful than PS2. They're facts.

 

 How could people be so blind?

64 bit > 32 bit

Guess which one was 64 bits?

PS1 couldnt match anything like Zelda OOT or Perfect Dark graphics wise.

Kind of a retard way to look at it.

Xbox 1 was a 32bit console, we stopped counting bit as power when console became as complex as computers.

 



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360: 39-42 PS3: 31-34 Wii: 67-70

Future projection

Wii will hit 100 million before christmas 2010 (made december 2008)

NDS Family will have sold and shipped more then PS2 at the end of 2009 (made january 2009)

d21lewis said:
History shows that given a choice between a black and a grey/white console, the black console always loses.

Before anyone says PS2, remember that the Xbox and Gamecube were black and purple/black.

 

 Yes but the dreamcast was white.....



i'll just be happy with them when they learn to make a reliable system. i havent heard any complaints on the psp so they are 1/4 right now. they put all this money into the ps3 and it still has issues....



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Lets just break down the numbers.

Saturn was a dual-core RISC CPU (pretty cool for that time) at 28,6mhz
PS1 was a single-core RISC CPU at 33,8mhz

The GPU is more complex matter, PS1 had more RAM for the GPU and had cach. THe Saturn used 2 GPUs.

Would say that it was easier to tap the power of PS1 then Saturn. Multi-thread code at that time wasn't often used.

So even if Saturn looks stronger on paper it never really turned ot that way, to complex. Comparing to people complaining about PS3 being more complex then 360 the Saturn makes PS3 look like childs play due to the structure in that time.

Then the N64 was a 64-bit 94mhz CPU. But since they let you use a 32-bit structure and making the game 64bit required double ram and cach. most games where 32-bit.

It used 8mb om RAMBUS.

But in the end N64 was twice the machine on the paper as PlayStation 1



Predictions for 2009:

360: 39-42 PS3: 31-34 Wii: 67-70

Future projection

Wii will hit 100 million before christmas 2010 (made december 2008)

NDS Family will have sold and shipped more then PS2 at the end of 2009 (made january 2009)