Yep, especially since Papyrus was coding better racing sims than either of these decades ago.  People throw the word "simulation" around loosely these days.

GT5 is the last straw PS3 fans have to grasp since FFXIII went multiplatform.

So mentioning facts to them like how Forza's track times are closer to actual lap times false on deaf ears. How ever, it won't matter once they are both released and reviewed.

Therefore, GT4 was an 89 because it wasn't AAA?

Reviews don't matter people.

Most people who think GT is "much better" than Forza have never played Forza. GT has a bigger fanbase. That is it.

All "simulator" games suck anyway, imo, most of all the overhyped golden cow Gran Turismo, which hasn't changed much besides graphics since 3. Forza is a close second for megasuckage though.

DiRT and Grid pwn them both.

...and there's the crux, isn't it?

As gamers, should we care if the game handles like "real life?" Well, you just said it. One guy here should. The rest of us should HOPE to hell that they made some "real life" sacrafices to the gameplay in the interest of a fun and enjoyable game.

...unless this is just a game for that one guy.

Ohh god.

You all will never understand, you also op.

See there is the Charger SRT great ride but then there a ISF, close yet worlds apart. Same way Lambo is super great, but a Ferrari always makes it its bitch casue the people behind it were born to create those god damn cars.

If you were a car enthusiast you would understand that and how GT is superior, but you are not and you wont.

GT is made by a crazed car maniac for car people, its not made for the likes of you kid.

i've never played forza, but i know my xbox mates sure liked it. my question is how can you raise comparison between forza 2 and gt4 when they are not on the same gen? when you list what forza can do, you should really indicate which forza boasts it. i think if you compare gt3 with forza that is probably the fairest comparison, and gran turismo is generally considered the better sim. i doubt that warrants the incessant crowing, but when do fanboys ever pass up an opportunity to serve up humble pie?

we'll just have to wait and see when gt5 comes out.

i think the bottom line is that if you play both games and can't really tell the difference with how they race, then that's your answer.

because theyve never played forza Theyre both really good.

all cars brands agree GT is the racing game.

This is exactly what I was talking about. Two lousy car analogies to explain why Gran Turismo is leagues better than Forza Motorsport, but no actual substance to the argument. Why don't you just black and white explain to everyone in detail why GT is so much better? What has the "car maniac" given GT? Remember details. Don't just say better handling, or more advanced physics. Explain why.