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The Ghost of RubangB said:
im_sneaky said:
The Ghost of RubangB said:
I went to a Catholic school where one teacher taught me evolution and another taught me that all gays and atheists will burn in hell. I flipped a coin to find out who to trust.

And.... don't keep me in suspense?

It was tails.

 

Tails for humans having tails? Very witty, but I'd prefer to see you in hell.



 

 

highwaystar101 said:
CHYUII said:
Evolution is a philosophy because scientific method can never be applied to it. We have no way of researching it, because we have no way of reproducing the moments in which life was created on Earth. If it is a fact then scientist would not still call it a theory.

Statistically speaking it is very improbable that random chance gave rise to order (not to mention it is against the PROVEN Laws of Science).
Darwin said that if it could be proven that life forms did not become more complicated over a series of successive improvements, then his theory would be proven wrong.

Micheal Denton an atheist wrote a book called evolution: a theory in Crisis, He spent the first part of the book ripping religion. And then went on to make his case-

And he is not alone in those beliefs other scientist believe the same.

I am not anti- science but I am Anti- Dogma and the theory of Evo. is sometimes just that.

I believe in Micro but not Macro.

The rest is more in line with Intelligent Design because Intelligent Design is more inline with the ACTUAL LAWS of SCIENCE.

But this is a free country and I do not mean to step on anothers beliefs, we are free to worship as we choose...

Theory =/= fact

It really annoys me when people think that a theory is just an untested idea or something. A theory has had to of been tested and examined beyond the realms of "just an idea", it has to have a lot of tested evidence backing it up to become a theory. If it was testable but no evidence existed then it would be a hypothesis.

 

 

 

 You are splitting hairs for the sake of it.

Theory is not a fact.

MacroEvolution is not a fact- it is philosophy.

The test do not prove the theory so it is still a theory, unproven, not fact, not LAW.

 



Will reply later Comp out of juice. =-(



CHYUII said:
highwaystar101 said:

Theory =/= fact

It really annoys me when people think that a theory is just an untested idea or something. A theory has had to of been tested and examined beyond the realms of "just an idea", it has to have a lot of tested evidence backing it up to become a theory. If it was testable but no evidence existed then it would be a hypothesis.

 

 

 

 You are splitting hairs for the sake of it.

Theory is not a fact.

MacroEvolution is not a fact- it is philosophy.

The test do not prove the theory so it is still a theory, unproven, not fact, not LAW.

 

 

You missunderstand a bit actually.

Theories exist to explain how the laws of the universe interact practically.  Theories do not become laws, they often contain them or propose them.  Or what is more common is that a theory will rise from a law.

For instanace Einstein's General Theory of Relativity is our theory of how gravity works.  But regardless of whether General Relativity is the exact description for the complex workings of gravity (it isn't a complete view we know that for sure actually) we know there is still gravity and laws that it follows that are put into context by the theory but not one and the same. So any new theory would have to account for those laws to be considered complete even if the current theory explaining those laws is shown to be incorrect. 

So we work out the laws mathematically and analytically and use those robust and thoroughly tested principles as the basis for a theory.  The reason a law is more certain however is because it aims to make a statement in a narrow band...something like "All prime numbers, excepting the special case of two, are odd." Where as a theory aims at a very broad band such as explaining how life came to be.  Kind of a bad example but it gets the point acrossed that laws have a disinct advantage in that their goals aren't quite as lofty as trying to unify the understanding of a whole subject but rather just trying to make a statement that can be relied on about a small piece of a larger issue.



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I support the theory of evolution.



CHYUII said:
highwaystar101 said:
CHYUII said:
Evolution is a philosophy because scientific method can never be applied to it. We have no way of researching it, because we have no way of reproducing the moments in which life was created on Earth. If it is a fact then scientist would not still call it a theory.

Statistically speaking it is very improbable that random chance gave rise to order (not to mention it is against the PROVEN Laws of Science).
Darwin said that if it could be proven that life forms did not become more complicated over a series of successive improvements, then his theory would be proven wrong.

Micheal Denton an atheist wrote a book called evolution: a theory in Crisis, He spent the first part of the book ripping religion. And then went on to make his case-

And he is not alone in those beliefs other scientist believe the same.

I am not anti- science but I am Anti- Dogma and the theory of Evo. is sometimes just that.

I believe in Micro but not Macro.

The rest is more in line with Intelligent Design because Intelligent Design is more inline with the ACTUAL LAWS of SCIENCE.

But this is a free country and I do not mean to step on anothers beliefs, we are free to worship as we choose...

Theory =/= fact

It really annoys me when people think that a theory is just an untested idea or something. A theory has had to of been tested and examined beyond the realms of "just an idea", it has to have a lot of tested evidence backing it up to become a theory. If it was testable but no evidence existed then it would be a hypothesis.

 

 

 

You are splitting hairs for the sake of it.

Theory is not a fact.

Tell this to a scientist, their heads will explode. A theory is a group of facts attained through testing to understand a natural phoenominon. Therefore a theory is as close to having facts as you can get really. But it only becomes one when it is accepted by the scientific community when hypothesis has proved positive and the tests can be successfully recreated. But testing does still occur in a theory to better understand it. But it is hard facts when you get down to it.

MacroEvolution is not a fact- it is philosophy.

Macroevolution was invented by creationists in 1927 to try and trip up evolutionists because it's harder to proove than micro. Ask any evolutionary biologist, they will tell you it's far more accurate to describe evolution as a universal definition (not break it up into two fields) and that you cant have micro evolution and not macro because they are one in the same. Besides what you call macro evolution has much evidence to support it... especially with todays findings.

The test do not prove the theory so it is still a theory, unproven, not fact, not LAW.

Look up the scientific definition of theory in the dictionary. it HAS to be proven, othwise it is a hypothesis.

 

 

 



highwaystar101 said:
CHYUII said:
highwaystar101 said:
CHYUII said:
Evolution is a philosophy because scientific method can never be applied to it. We have no way of researching it, because we have no way of reproducing the moments in which life was created on Earth. If it is a fact then scientist would not still call it a theory.

Statistically speaking it is very improbable that random chance gave rise to order (not to mention it is against the PROVEN Laws of Science).
Darwin said that if it could be proven that life forms did not become more complicated over a series of successive improvements, then his theory would be proven wrong.

Micheal Denton an atheist wrote a book called evolution: a theory in Crisis, He spent the first part of the book ripping religion. And then went on to make his case-

And he is not alone in those beliefs other scientist believe the same.

I am not anti- science but I am Anti- Dogma and the theory of Evo. is sometimes just that.

I believe in Micro but not Macro.

The rest is more in line with Intelligent Design because Intelligent Design is more inline with the ACTUAL LAWS of SCIENCE.

But this is a free country and I do not mean to step on anothers beliefs, we are free to worship as we choose...

Theory =/= fact

It really annoys me when people think that a theory is just an untested idea or something. A theory has had to of been tested and examined beyond the realms of "just an idea", it has to have a lot of tested evidence backing it up to become a theory. If it was testable but no evidence existed then it would be a hypothesis.

 

 

 

You are splitting hairs for the sake of it.

Theory is not a fact.

Tell this to a scientist, their heads will explode. A theory is a group of facts attained through testing to understand a natural phoenominon. Therefore a theory is as close to having facts as you can get really. But it only becomes one when it is accepted by the scientific community when hypothesis has proved positive and the tests can be successfully recreated. But testing does still occur in a theory to better understand it. But it is hard facts when you get down to it.

MacroEvolution is not a fact- it is philosophy.

Macroevolution was invented by creationists in 1927 to try and trip up evolutionists because it's harder to proove than micro. Ask any evolutionary biologist, they will tell you it's far more accurate to describe evolution as a universal definition (not break it up into two fields) and that you cant have micro evolution and not macro because they are one in the same. Besides what you call macro evolution has much evidence to support it... especially with todays findings.

The test do not prove the theory so it is still a theory, unproven, not fact, not LAW.

Look up the scientific definition of theory in the dictionary. it HAS to be proven, othwise it is a hypothesis.

 

 

 

 

I have nothing to add but my heartfelt support for anyone showing creationists the light.



 

 

Sqrl said:
CHYUII said:
highwaystar101 said:

Theory =/= fact

It really annoys me when people think that a theory is just an untested idea or something. A theory has had to of been tested and examined beyond the realms of "just an idea", it has to have a lot of tested evidence backing it up to become a theory. If it was testable but no evidence existed then it would be a hypothesis.

 

 

 

 You are splitting hairs for the sake of it.

Theory is not a fact.

MacroEvolution is not a fact- it is philosophy.

The test do not prove the theory so it is still a theory, unproven, not fact, not LAW.

 

 

You missunderstand a bit actually.

Theories exist to explain how the laws of the universe interact practically.  Theories do not become laws, they often contain them or propose them.  Or what is more common is that a theory will rise from a law.

For instanace Einstein's General Theory of Relativity is our theory of how gravity works.  But regardless of whether General Relativity is the exact description for the complex workings of gravity (it isn't a complete view we know that for sure actually) we know there is still gravity and laws that it follows that are put into context by the theory but not one and the same. So any new theory would have to account for those laws to be considered complete even if the current theory explaining those laws is shown to be incorrect. 

So we work out the laws mathematically and analytically and use those robust and thoroughly tested principles as the basis for a theory.  The reason a law is more certain however is because it aims to make a statement in a narrow band...something like "All prime numbers, excepting the special case of two, are odd." Where as a theory aims at a very broad band such as explaining how life came to be.  Kind of a bad example but it gets the point acrossed that laws have a disinct advantage in that their goals aren't quite as lofty as trying to unify the understanding of a whole subject but rather just trying to make a statement that can be relied on about a small piece of a larger issue.


Nevertheless, I confidently hold that the Macro-evolution defies the LAWs, and if LAWs are broken (being proven and as you said specific) then by default evolution is false. If nothing else it is harder to accept than ID, for me, because it defies what I witness and see everyday.



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