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Zucas on 12 May 2009
ChichiriMuyo said:
twesterm said:
ChichiriMuyo said:
twesterm said:
ChichiriMuyo said:
Woo Twesterm with almost exactly the response I expected. Dude, it's the lowest in the world. Maybe you need to reevaluate what your definition of "stupid high" is. I can't even imagine what sorts of adjectives you'd use for the likes of Zimbabwe, Armenia, Georgia etc. with their 90%+ piracy rates.

 

10 people got killed in constuction site A because someone messed up and 100 people killed in contruction site B because someone made the same mistake.

Yes, many more people died in B but the amount that died in A is still stupid high.

I know that piracy is higher in the other areas but 20% is still a really high number.  Just because NA has the lowest number does not mean that the number is an acceptable amount.

 

Obviously 20% is not a really high number, it's a really low number.  It's as low as it gets, at least for the now.  If the recession ends, it'll drop, because for the most part piracy is related to the number of people who can afford the software they want.

Oh, and your example is terrible.  If a given type of accident could kill 10 or 100 people I'd be happy as can be that it was only ten.  Yeah, people dying isn't exacly a good outcome, but it's better than a lto more people dying any day of the week.

 

I don't think you're getting what I'm telling you.  I'm not saying 10 people dead is as bad as 100 people dead or that 20% is as bad as 50%, I'm just saying 20% is still a really high number.  That is all.

Going back to my bad construction site example, 10 people died at one site and 100 people died at the other.  Going from what you said, you seem to think the 10 people dying is alright because that's as low as it gets.  That may be preferable, but it still isn't right.  I think that's where you're getting confused.

I'm not confused, I'm just willing to admit that "what is right" doesn't occur very often in this mixed up, crazy world of ours.  Either you play the hand that's dealt to you or you fold.  Me?  I'll keep playing, thank you very much.

 

Those that are willing to lay back and cope with what is wrong are indeed a part of the problem themselves.  If you are able to do something against what is unjust then it is not a privilege but a responsibility to do so. 

"You either die a hero or you live long enough to see yourself become the villain." - Harvey Dent, Dark Knight

It really is a great quote.  And that goes to anyone.  Piracy is a plague upon the industry that infects gamers and game companies alike.  First part of stopping it is realizing it is something that can be stopped.



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ChichiriMuyo on 12 May 2009
wfz said:
Actually, in that article I only ever hear them refer to PC downloaded software. At MOST that includes retail PC games, correct?

So this article is basically about movies, music, etc. and hardly at all about video games. The farthest it goes with video games is the PC market. It isn't even including consoles if I understand it correctly.

 

I highly doubt they count either, actually, as neither one of them is traditionally considered software in any way, shape, or form.



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twesterm on 12 May 2009
ChichiriMuyo said:
twesterm said:
ChichiriMuyo said:
twesterm said:
ChichiriMuyo said:
twesterm said:
ChichiriMuyo said:
Woo Twesterm with almost exactly the response I expected. Dude, it's the lowest in the world. Maybe you need to reevaluate what your definition of "stupid high" is. I can't even imagine what sorts of adjectives you'd use for the likes of Zimbabwe, Armenia, Georgia etc. with their 90%+ piracy rates.

 

10 people got killed in constuction site A because someone messed up and 100 people killed in contruction site B because someone made the same mistake.

Yes, many more people died in B but the amount that died in A is still stupid high.

I know that piracy is higher in the other areas but 20% is still a really high number.  Just because NA has the lowest number does not mean that the number is an acceptable amount.

 

Obviously 20% is not a really high number, it's a really low number.  It's as low as it gets, at least for the now.  If the recession ends, it'll drop, because for the most part piracy is related to the number of people who can afford the software they want.

Oh, and your example is terrible.  If a given type of accident could kill 10 or 100 people I'd be happy as can be that it was only ten.  Yeah, people dying isn't exacly a good outcome, but it's better than a lto more people dying any day of the week.

 

I don't think you're getting what I'm telling you.  I'm not saying 10 people dead is as bad as 100 people dead or that 20% is as bad as 50%, I'm just saying 20% is still a really high number.  That is all.

Going back to my bad construction site example, 10 people died at one site and 100 people died at the other.  Going from what you said, you seem to think the 10 people dying is alright because that's as low as it gets.  That may be preferable, but it still isn't right.  I think that's where you're getting confused.

I'm not confused, I'm just willing to admit that "what is right" doesn't occur very often in this mixed up, crazy world of ours.  Either you play the hand that's dealt to you or you fold.  Me?  I'll keep playing, thank you very much.

 

What are you even talking about? I'm not trying to argue what's right and wrong, I'm not saying how to fix it, I'm not even going to talk about what kind of scum pirates are, I am just making an obvservation about that 20% number.

Again, all I'm saying is 20% is a really stupid high number.  Again, I realize it's the lowest and the best number of them all, but that still doesn't mean it's a good number.

 

Uhh, you were saying?

 

Morally right and wrong.

In the first bolded section, I am merely saying saying 20% isn't a really high number just is not right, as in saying 2 + 3 = 7 is not right.  In the second bolded section I am saying I'm not going to argue the pro's and con's of piracy.

Reading comprehension for the win.

 



 

wfz on 12 May 2009
ChichiriMuyo said:
wfz said:
Actually, in that article I only ever hear them refer to PC downloaded software. At MOST that includes retail PC games, correct?

So this article is basically about movies, music, etc. and hardly at all about video games. The farthest it goes with video games is the PC market. It isn't even including consoles if I understand it correctly.

 

I highly doubt they count either, actually, as neither one of them is traditionally considered software in any way, shape, or form.

 

So what exactly constitutes as downloaded PC software?

 

Windows OS?



ChichiriMuyo on 12 May 2009
Zucas said:
ChichiriMuyo said:
twesterm said:
ChichiriMuyo said:
twesterm said:
ChichiriMuyo said:
Woo Twesterm with almost exactly the response I expected. Dude, it's the lowest in the world. Maybe you need to reevaluate what your definition of "stupid high" is. I can't even imagine what sorts of adjectives you'd use for the likes of Zimbabwe, Armenia, Georgia etc. with their 90%+ piracy rates.

 

10 people got killed in constuction site A because someone messed up and 100 people killed in contruction site B because someone made the same mistake.

Yes, many more people died in B but the amount that died in A is still stupid high.

I know that piracy is higher in the other areas but 20% is still a really high number.  Just because NA has the lowest number does not mean that the number is an acceptable amount.

 

Obviously 20% is not a really high number, it's a really low number.  It's as low as it gets, at least for the now.  If the recession ends, it'll drop, because for the most part piracy is related to the number of people who can afford the software they want.

Oh, and your example is terrible.  If a given type of accident could kill 10 or 100 people I'd be happy as can be that it was only ten.  Yeah, people dying isn't exacly a good outcome, but it's better than a lto more people dying any day of the week.

 

I don't think you're getting what I'm telling you.  I'm not saying 10 people dead is as bad as 100 people dead or that 20% is as bad as 50%, I'm just saying 20% is still a really high number.  That is all.

Going back to my bad construction site example, 10 people died at one site and 100 people died at the other.  Going from what you said, you seem to think the 10 people dying is alright because that's as low as it gets.  That may be preferable, but it still isn't right.  I think that's where you're getting confused.

I'm not confused, I'm just willing to admit that "what is right" doesn't occur very often in this mixed up, crazy world of ours.  Either you play the hand that's dealt to you or you fold.  Me?  I'll keep playing, thank you very much.

 

Those that are willing to lay back and cope with what is wrong are indeed a part of the problem themselves.  If you are able to do something against what is unjust then it is not a privilege but a responsibility to do so. 

"You either die a hero or you live long enough to see yourself become the villain." - Harvey Dent, Dark Knight

It really is a great quote.

 

But tell me, oh wise master, what can one do to solve this problem?  I can stop pirating and you can and Twesterm can.  Great, three people are not themselves pirating.  What do we do about the peopel that are?  Do you want to turn your "friends" in to the FBI if they are?  You're not much of a friend if you do.  Do you want to break into software development firms to make sure they aren't pirating?  That's agaisnt the law, you know.  What are you able to do that doesn't make you just as much of a criminal or just a plain asshole?  Go ahead, lay it down.  I'd love to know what you are doing personally to stop software piracy.  Maybe you are providing the exact same service for free?  That sure is an effective, if dangerous, proposition.  Anything else?



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wfz on 12 May 2009
ChichiriMuyo said:
Zucas said:
ChichiriMuyo said:
twesterm said:
ChichiriMuyo said:
twesterm said:
ChichiriMuyo said:
Woo Twesterm with almost exactly the response I expected. Dude, it's the lowest in the world. Maybe you need to reevaluate what your definition of "stupid high" is. I can't even imagine what sorts of adjectives you'd use for the likes of Zimbabwe, Armenia, Georgia etc. with their 90%+ piracy rates.

 

10 people got killed in constuction site A because someone messed up and 100 people killed in contruction site B because someone made the same mistake.

Yes, many more people died in B but the amount that died in A is still stupid high.

I know that piracy is higher in the other areas but 20% is still a really high number.  Just because NA has the lowest number does not mean that the number is an acceptable amount.

 

Obviously 20% is not a really high number, it's a really low number.  It's as low as it gets, at least for the now.  If the recession ends, it'll drop, because for the most part piracy is related to the number of people who can afford the software they want.

Oh, and your example is terrible.  If a given type of accident could kill 10 or 100 people I'd be happy as can be that it was only ten.  Yeah, people dying isn't exacly a good outcome, but it's better than a lto more people dying any day of the week.

 

I don't think you're getting what I'm telling you.  I'm not saying 10 people dead is as bad as 100 people dead or that 20% is as bad as 50%, I'm just saying 20% is still a really high number.  That is all.

Going back to my bad construction site example, 10 people died at one site and 100 people died at the other.  Going from what you said, you seem to think the 10 people dying is alright because that's as low as it gets.  That may be preferable, but it still isn't right.  I think that's where you're getting confused.

I'm not confused, I'm just willing to admit that "what is right" doesn't occur very often in this mixed up, crazy world of ours.  Either you play the hand that's dealt to you or you fold.  Me?  I'll keep playing, thank you very much.

 

Those that are willing to lay back and cope with what is wrong are indeed a part of the problem themselves.  If you are able to do something against what is unjust then it is not a privilege but a responsibility to do so. 

"You either die a hero or you live long enough to see yourself become the villain." - Harvey Dent, Dark Knight

It really is a great quote.

 

but tell me, oh wise master, what can one do to solve this problem?  I can stop pirating and you can and Twesterm can.  Great, three people are not themselves pirating.  What do we do about the peopel that are?  Do you want to turn your "friends" in to the FBI if they are?  You're not much of a friend if you do.  Do you want to break into software development firms to make sure they aren't pirating?  That's agaisnt the law, you know.  What are you able to do that doesn't make you just as much of a criminal or just a plain asshole?  Go ahead, lay it down.  I'd love to know what you are doing personally to stop software piracy.  Maybe you are providing the exact same service for free?  That sure is an effective, if dangerous, proposition.  Anything else?

 

You expect him to tell you his sage advice for free? Sheesh, you pirates think you can have everything for free!

 

I know a secret place where you can download his advice for free though, but I can't mention it here. Don't tell anyone I know!



twesterm on 12 May 2009
ChichiriMuyo said:
Zucas said:
ChichiriMuyo said:
twesterm said:
ChichiriMuyo said:
twesterm said:
ChichiriMuyo said:
Woo Twesterm with almost exactly the response I expected. Dude, it's the lowest in the world. Maybe you need to reevaluate what your definition of "stupid high" is. I can't even imagine what sorts of adjectives you'd use for the likes of Zimbabwe, Armenia, Georgia etc. with their 90%+ piracy rates.

 

10 people got killed in constuction site A because someone messed up and 100 people killed in contruction site B because someone made the same mistake.

Yes, many more people died in B but the amount that died in A is still stupid high.

I know that piracy is higher in the other areas but 20% is still a really high number.  Just because NA has the lowest number does not mean that the number is an acceptable amount.

 

Obviously 20% is not a really high number, it's a really low number.  It's as low as it gets, at least for the now.  If the recession ends, it'll drop, because for the most part piracy is related to the number of people who can afford the software they want.

Oh, and your example is terrible.  If a given type of accident could kill 10 or 100 people I'd be happy as can be that it was only ten.  Yeah, people dying isn't exacly a good outcome, but it's better than a lto more people dying any day of the week.

 

I don't think you're getting what I'm telling you.  I'm not saying 10 people dead is as bad as 100 people dead or that 20% is as bad as 50%, I'm just saying 20% is still a really high number.  That is all.

Going back to my bad construction site example, 10 people died at one site and 100 people died at the other.  Going from what you said, you seem to think the 10 people dying is alright because that's as low as it gets.  That may be preferable, but it still isn't right.  I think that's where you're getting confused.

I'm not confused, I'm just willing to admit that "what is right" doesn't occur very often in this mixed up, crazy world of ours.  Either you play the hand that's dealt to you or you fold.  Me?  I'll keep playing, thank you very much.

 

Those that are willing to lay back and cope with what is wrong are indeed a part of the problem themselves.  If you are able to do something against what is unjust then it is not a privilege but a responsibility to do so. 

"You either die a hero or you live long enough to see yourself become the villain." - Harvey Dent, Dark Knight

It really is a great quote.

 

but tell me, oh wise master, what can one do to solve this problem?  I can stop pirating and you can and Twesterm can.  Great, three people are not themselves pirating.  What do we do about the peopel that are?  Do you want to turn your "friends" in to the FBI if they are?  You're not much of a friend if you do.  Do you want to break into software development firms to make sure they aren't pirating?  That's agaisnt the law, you know.  What are you able to do that doesn't make you just as much of a criminal or just a plain asshole?  Go ahead, lay it down.  I'd love to know what you are doing personally to stop software piracy.  Maybe you are providing the exact same service for free?  That sure is an effective, if dangerous, proposition.  Anything else?

 

  1. I would turn them in, or at least video games.  I don't condone pirating movies, software, and music, but it's not something I'm passionate enough to turn them in.  Video games though, my friends should know better.
  2. Any company that pirates software deserves whatever it gets because no place of business should be that stupid.  I'm not saying there aren't places that do that, I'm just saying they deserve when they do get caught.


 

ChichiriMuyo on 12 May 2009
twesterm said:
ChichiriMuyo said:
Zucas said:
ChichiriMuyo said:
twesterm said:
ChichiriMuyo said:
twesterm said:
ChichiriMuyo said:
Woo Twesterm with almost exactly the response I expected. Dude, it's the lowest in the world. Maybe you need to reevaluate what your definition of "stupid high" is. I can't even imagine what sorts of adjectives you'd use for the likes of Zimbabwe, Armenia, Georgia etc. with their 90%+ piracy rates.

 

10 people got killed in constuction site A because someone messed up and 100 people killed in contruction site B because someone made the same mistake.

Yes, many more people died in B but the amount that died in A is still stupid high.

I know that piracy is higher in the other areas but 20% is still a really high number.  Just because NA has the lowest number does not mean that the number is an acceptable amount.

 

Obviously 20% is not a really high number, it's a really low number.  It's as low as it gets, at least for the now.  If the recession ends, it'll drop, because for the most part piracy is related to the number of people who can afford the software they want.

Oh, and your example is terrible.  If a given type of accident could kill 10 or 100 people I'd be happy as can be that it was only ten.  Yeah, people dying isn't exacly a good outcome, but it's better than a lto more people dying any day of the week.

 

I don't think you're getting what I'm telling you.  I'm not saying 10 people dead is as bad as 100 people dead or that 20% is as bad as 50%, I'm just saying 20% is still a really high number.  That is all.

Going back to my bad construction site example, 10 people died at one site and 100 people died at the other.  Going from what you said, you seem to think the 10 people dying is alright because that's as low as it gets.  That may be preferable, but it still isn't right.  I think that's where you're getting confused.

I'm not confused, I'm just willing to admit that "what is right" doesn't occur very often in this mixed up, crazy world of ours.  Either you play the hand that's dealt to you or you fold.  Me?  I'll keep playing, thank you very much.

 

Those that are willing to lay back and cope with what is wrong are indeed a part of the problem themselves.  If you are able to do something against what is unjust then it is not a privilege but a responsibility to do so. 

"You either die a hero or you live long enough to see yourself become the villain." - Harvey Dent, Dark Knight

It really is a great quote.

 

but tell me, oh wise master, what can one do to solve this problem?  I can stop pirating and you can and Twesterm can.  Great, three people are not themselves pirating.  What do we do about the peopel that are?  Do you want to turn your "friends" in to the FBI if they are?  You're not much of a friend if you do.  Do you want to break into software development firms to make sure they aren't pirating?  That's agaisnt the law, you know.  What are you able to do that doesn't make you just as much of a criminal or just a plain asshole?  Go ahead, lay it down.  I'd love to know what you are doing personally to stop software piracy.  Maybe you are providing the exact same service for free?  That sure is an effective, if dangerous, proposition.  Anything else?

 

  1. I would turn them in, or at least video games.  I don't condone pirating movies, software, and music, but it's not something I'm passionate enough to turn them in.  Video games though, my friends should know better.
  2. Any company that pirates software deserves whatever it gets because no place of business should be that stupid.  I'm not saying there aren't places that do that, I'm just saying they deserve when they do get caught.

 

1. I'm not going to be insulting to you since I'll get banned, but you're totally not cool and it seems unlikely that you have an extensive list of friends who are.  I say that as someone who is now obligated to (indiretly) pay rent for two people and soon a third to make video games.

2. Most of them get profits, actually, because most of them are outside of the jurisdiction of anyone who actually cares.



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Zucas on 12 May 2009
ChichiriMuyo said:

but tell me, oh wise master, what can one do to solve this problem?  I can stop pirating and you can and Twesterm can.  Great, three people are not themselves pirating.  What do we do about the peopel that are?  Do you want to turn your "friends" in to the FBI if they are?  You're not much of a friend if you do.  Do you want to break into software development firms to make sure they aren't pirating?  That's agaisnt the law, you know.  What are you able to do that doesn't make you just as much of a criminal or just a plain asshole?  Go ahead, lay it down.  I'd love to know what you are doing personally to stop software piracy.  Maybe you are providing the exact same service for free?  That sure is an effective, if dangerous, proposition.  Anything else?

Sure three people stopping doesn't take much off a percentage, but if you can live with yourself knowing that you didn't do all that you could to stop something that you know is wrong, then you are just as bad as those that continue to do it.

Laugh and antagonize me and my idealist ways all you want, but life will look upon this better in the end.  That's good enough for me... knowing that why I was here I at least tried to make the world a better place and not just sit back and accept it.  At least I tried. 

Ya see, I think you get the point.  If there were more people like me... then there wouldn't be a problem.  It's all about the ideologies... not even about the actions.  With a world full of people committed to do what's right, there can be no existence of the apathetic and corrupt.



ChichiriMuyo on 12 May 2009
twesterm said:

 

Morally right and wrong.

In the first bolded section, I am merely saying saying 20% isn't a really high number just is not right, as in saying 2 + 3 = 7 is not right.  In the second bolded section I am saying I'm not going to argue the pro's and con's of piracy.

Reading comprehension for the win.

 

 

No ammount of reading comprehension is going to come up with that.  Trust me.  If that's really what you intended (and I doubt it) you did a piss-poor job of making that clear... not to mention the fact that you are wrong. It's the lowest number of those available.  Everyone else is worse.  Therefore in reality, should you choose to join us, it's not high at all.  It's low.  Very low.  The lowest.  When your goal is to be low, you can't hope to be anything more than the lowest.  We've done a good job of that.

Also, be glad you're a mod.  If any regular user had spoken to you the way you have to me they'd already be banned.  Favoritism over fairness FTW, eh?



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