Sony losses expected at $1.5 billion

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damndl0ser on 11 May 2009

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blackstar on 11 May 2009

disolitude said:

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Somewhere out there a blue hedgehog is laughing his ass off.

not another sega lamentation...I guess it's impossible to see that sega killed sega just like sony is close to doing to itself. Neither of these companies fell because of competition. I give up on you guys though....can't keep saying the same thing over and over again.

While sega did plenty of damage themselves...Dreamcast was essentially killed by PS2 hype. No one can deny that. I am not blaming sony for doing this, but I find it funny that the same strategy that worked last gen (bundling DVD with console) is screwing them in the rear this gen... hence why blue hedgehog is laughing.

I don't hate Sony myself...jsut find it funny thats all. Did you know that many people from Sega moved on to Sony aftewards? Did you know that the guy that made sonic the hedgehog works for Naughy Dog and worked as a gmae designer on such games as Jak 2 and 3 and Uncharted?

oh come on

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NJ5 on 11 May 2009

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I don't believe Sony will willingly disband SCE... They could do so unwillingly though, in the event they continue to burn so much cash that they have to reorganize the whole company.

Last I checked the big cash burner wasn't SCEE.

The Sony-Erickson cellphone joing venture is where Sony has been loosing the most cash these last years...

You're right, the big cash burner isn't SCE these days (although it's not Sony-Ericsson either, since the recession started it's the electronics division according to the reports I've seen).

My point was that Sony may get forced to do things it doesn't want to, like selling parts of their business to other companies if they need cash to survive. I'm not saying it's a likely scenario, just that it's possible.

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tedsteriscool on 11 May 2009

They'll be fine. If the brand gets sold off, please sell it to Samsung. They make gorgeous, high quality electronics much like Sony.

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disolitude said:

Pristine20 said:

disolitude said:

Pristine20 said:

disolitude said:
Somewhere out there a blue hedgehog is laughing his ass off.

not another sega lamentation...I guess it's impossible to see that sega killed sega just like sony is close to doing to itself. Neither of these companies fell because of competition. I give up on you guys though....can't keep saying the same thing over and over again.

While sega did plenty of damage themselves...Dreamcast was essentially killed by PS2 hype. No one can deny that. I am not blaming sony for doing this, but I find it funny that the same strategy that worked last gen (bundling DVD with console) is screwing them in the rear this gen... hence why blue hedgehog is laughing.

I don't hate Sony myself...jsut find it funny thats all. Did you know that many people from Sega moved on to Sony aftewards? Did you know that the guy that made sonic the hedgehog works for Naughy Dog and worked as a gmae designer on such games as Jak 2 and 3 and Uncharted?

You really believe that? It's sounding like a religious belief among you guys and if that's the case I will cease to waste my time typing. Do people really believe that hype makes up a great portion of the success of anything? Hype is just a product of corporate gloating...nothing more. Sure sony said ps2 was a supercomputer built to save the world but it was pretty obvious when the launch titles came out that that wasn't the case. Why did it go on to sell 140 mil? Didn't sony tell all those lies? Answer: with the exception of a few strange individuals, no one cares what sony said. People buy what system has the games they want to play that they can afford and that was the ps2 last gen.

If sega hadn't already duped consumers with all their bogus add-ins and outs and their short-lived console cycles, they'd have done better. that kind of behavior is more damaging thhan some stupid PR rant. This is also part of the reason why sony is bleeding this gen out because there'll be no next-gen for them if they don't finish this one.

It's good to see the sonic guy found a new job. No wonder every sonic game has sucked since.

The thing is, sega lost 300-400 million dollar 2 years on a row and were almost completely out of business.

Sony and Microsoft have huge amounts to burn for these consoles and you can't deny that didn't have an impact on a smaller competitor like sega. Hell even Nintendo was feeling the burn before the Wii...

Also, Saturn destroyed N64 in Japan where it had proper support...your previous statement that people would not have bought the saturn if there was no PS1 is completely unfounded. Saturn needed 1 game called Final Fantasy to be on its system and sega would still be making hardware today...

So sony killed sega because their company is better equiped to endure losses? You don't bite off more than you can chew. If sony corp. uses a loss-lead model, you don't copy them without the funds behind you. This is why nintendo still profited from N64 and GC era whereas sega is nowhere to be found.

Why is it that you think all the brunt of sony's entry into the market was aimed at sega and not nintendo? If you ask me, the leader of the previous gen is the target for competition...just ask M$.

If FFVII wasn't on PS, it would have been on N64 and Saturn won't have beat the N64 in Japan. Notice how square was in talks with nintendo before they went PS and not Sega? What makes you think they'd have switched to sega not stuck with nintendo who at the time had no failures whatsoever? Games like street fighter and FF were ninty titles not sega's. If you think sony moneyhatted to get FFvii, do you think sega could have outbid nintendo for the title?

Saturn however, is not my main focus because it didn't set the nail in the coffin...it's the dreamcast. It is hailed as the console genius that the devil called sony corp threw away and killed sega. It is also the one responsible for sega's losses if I'm not mistaken. If you say that saturn prospered even during the existence of ps1, why do you think ps2's great hype got rid of the DC?

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Pristine20 on 11 May 2009

damndl0ser said:

Glad to have you back. Silly things like death shouldn't hold any of us down.

I'm glad to be back too. The other side was fun for a second.

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