I think there are other factors involve not just price.
| gameman said: It does matter if its artifical or not. GM was the number 2 selling car manufactuer in the world up until the end of last year. The problem is that they were losing a $1 billion dollars a month as they sold most of their cars at a loss to retain market share. The reality was, that they were in last place as far as demand goes. They were selling $6,000 Chevy malibus against a $15,000 Honda Civic. Sony could slash prices to increase marketshare, but with their losses, their heading straight for a GM like situation. They dont have room for a price cut with out shedding another $billion dollars. |
oi me brain.
a car will cost 10k to produce first or 5th years on the market, PS3 production costs drop ever year thus allowing price cuts.
is that so freaking hard ?
point x said:
+1,,,someone with common sense....
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First I was going to question max power's ability to think this through properly. Then you came along. The processing power of the PS3 is not "standard fare" at Dell. It's not even availabel at Dell. Granted, the PS3 has its short comings (its cpu is designed for super computing, not video gaming), but that doesn't mean that it's hardware potential can be matched by any piece of crap offered by dell.
If you want awesome physics in your game more than you want awesome graphics, the PS3 is by far the best option. Physics, and even graphics, are done better by multiple weak cpus than a single strong one. Ever notice how new GPUs have hundreds or even thousands of cores? That's because they are made to accomplish tasks that are easily parallelizable.
Added parallel processing is something the PS3 provides. It's not for every developer. It's certainly not for unskilled hacks. But devs that want to push what the game can do rather than how the game looks can get a hell of a lot more out of the PS3 than they can the the standard low-end PC sold to someone who has no clue about about how PCs work, which is exacly the business model Dell runs on.
You do not have the right to never be offended.
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First I was going to question max power's ability to think this through properly. Then you came along. The processing power of the PS3 is not "standard fare" at Dell. It's not even availabel at Dell. Granted, the PS3 has its short comings (its cpu is designed for super computing, not video gaming), but that doesn't mean that it's hardware potential can be matched by any piece of crap offered by dell. If you want awesome physics in your game more than you want awesome graphics, the PS3 is by far the best option. Physics, and even graphics, are done better by multiple weak cpus than a single strong one. Ever notice how new GPUs have hundreds or even thousands of cores? That's because they are made to accomplish tasks that are easily parallelizable. Added parallel processing is something the PS3 provides. It's not for every developer. It's certainly not for unskilled hacks. But devs that want to push what the game can do rather than how the game looks can get a hell of a lot more out of the PS3 than they can the the standard low-end PC sold to someone who has no clue about about how PCs work, which is exacly the business model Dell runs on. |
lol wut?
A Corei7 effectively has 8 cores (actually 4, but it's treated as 8). It will absolutely run circles around the PS3 in terms of computing power. But I'm getting aside here... you can have a Corei7 PC sitting under your desk for under $1000. That is NOT a "supercomputer."
And no, the PS3 is by far NOT the best option. Have you ever seen Crysis? Say what you will about the gameplay, but the graphics AND physics destroy anything the PS3 has to offer. Oh... and the game is 2 years old, so we're not even talking about "state of the art cutting edge" stuff here.
I can't believe that people actually believe this stuff. Yeah... a $400 super computer... geez...
| gameman said: People keep saying the PS3 will last longer because the PS3 is at such a high price that they have a long ways to go for a price drop. Thats not true at all. Sony is giving basically a super computer with a blue ray player and a massive hard drive for $400. Develping costs is at least $400 or more. The arugument does however work with the Wii or Ipod as those have an incredibly high price for what it is. A $200 mp3 player and $250 Game cube with motion controls. If either of those sales started to sag, Apple or Nintendo could slash prices and still make a very good profit. Nintendo just reported a whopping $5.7 billion dollars in profit for the last fiscal year. About 1/3 of the entire corporation of Microsoft on only 2 products!!!! Wow!! The PS3 howeverhas no room for a price cut. The blue ray player is no doubt a very expensive technology for them and for consumors. |
Bolded 1 - Its not a super computer. Maybe it was in 2006 when it launched, but by today's standards, it's a decent processor at best, definitely no super computer. Blu Ray is struggling to break through from standard DVD sales, while HD-DVD failed, Blu Ray isn't exactly winning either. In 2006, your argument may have had weight. In 2009, the price needs to drop, its overpriced for B+ parts.
Bolded 2 - Simply, stop being an idiot. While you have a fair point, calling the Wii a GameCube with motion controls just makes you look like a troll. If you want to be taken seriously, stop saying such trollish things.
Bolded 3 - I won't get into your spelling here. Instead, I will suggest what Sony could and should have done. Release a "Playstation 3 Arcade", remove the Blu Ray drive, cut the price down to 250 to compete with the Wii. Sure it wont be able to play some "Blu Ray" only games, but that's what the people get for the cheaper price.
It is no new news that Sony pretty much destroyed themselves this generation with the Blu Ray drive in the PS3. There will never be a "breakeven" for them in Blu Ray sales that will make up for their lost revenue and marketshare in the console industry this generation. It was a bullish, stupid move on their part, trying to rip more money from consumers' pockets. In turn, their old customers game them the cold shoulder and moved on to Nintendo's and Microsoft's products instead. Sony made their bed, now they're laying in it.
This is normal procedure when a company loses sight of reality. Nintendo did this in the early 90s, and they got soundly rejected, their customers turning to Sony's Playstation One. Now, it is Sony's turn to feel the wrath of the consumer base. The saddest part of it all is how short lived Blu Ray will be, definitely will not even be a blip on people's radars in 2-3 years from now.
there is nothing wrong with the PS3 business model as it is. Sony risked this generation to expand their business, their business plan may not have planned for Nintendo or MS to be as strong this cycle or the recession, but if they end up securing up the optical disc format of the future for the next 10 years or so they win. Eventually the HD TV generation will become more mainstream.
Xbox 360 is a supercomputer too. It has a XENON with 115 GFLOPS theoretical performance.
Repent or be destroyed
It is wrong for companies to make huge profits through artificially high prices when billions still live in poverty. Shame on Nintendo for not allocating a portion of their profits to charitable causes.
Sony did the morally right thing, they're selling their system at a LOSS so more people can be part of their experience rather than padding their pockets.
Great going, theprof00.
I don't know what your post had in it, but it's tearing a hole in space.
Now we're all ****ed.
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