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NJ5 said:
heruamon said:
nojustno said:
Wow that must burn a hole in their finances

This is going to be a fight at the WTO...because this smacks of a set of countries shaking down some foreign companies.

How can this be such a big deal if California with its 35 million population has fined Microsoft for $1.1 billion, nearly the same amount? It's like a fifth of Intel's annual profit.

More to the point, I don't understand what "shaking down some foreign companies" could possibly accomplish here, other than the openly stated objective of making the "free market" be a reality unaffected by Intel's monopolisation attempts.

It's not like AMD is a European company. There isn't even a single significant European company competing in this market.

 

I'm still not to sure Intel has tried to monopolize anything. I thinks its because Intel has just been around for a while and had great products across the spectrum that they got so big.

If AMD really wanted to compete they would try to develop their own technologies rather than base their their entire line of CPUs off technologies owned by the competitor.

Unlike the Microsoft case I have a feeling Intel might be close to innocent here. They might have offered incentives but companies could have easily said no to them. In the end why isn't the manufacturers who took the incentives/bribes in trouble?



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NJ5 said:
Here is one more little piece of anti-competitive Intel behavior. The Intel-Skype deal, where Skype locked in some features of its application to PCs with Intel CPUs.

http://www.businessweek.com/globalbiz/content/mar2006/gb20060301_227521.htm

Not a big deal compared to these "bribes", but still indicates that Intel has no problems with engaging in these deals, even openly.

PS: I don't hate Intel, in fact I have only ever bought one CPU from AMD in more than 15 years of using PCs. That doesn't mean I'm blind to Intel's behaviors though.

So, is EU going to SUE M$ over the exclusive DLC for GTA nad other games?  Is the EU going t o fine the US for having a Most Favored Nation status for some countries?  If they want to say that EU citizens were prevented from buying AMD based computers, and they have evidence of the lack of THAT option, I can agree with it, but to say cutting sweet deals with manufacturers to use their chips is riddiculous.  So...are they going to sue Apple for squahing others from making computers, other than Apple built computers from running OS X?  WTF...



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heruamon said:
NJ5 said:
heruamon said:
nojustno said:
Wow that must burn a hole in their finances

This is going to be a fight at the WTO...because this smacks of a set of countries shaking down some foreign companies.

How can this be such a big deal if California with its 35 million population has fined Microsoft for $1.1 billion, nearly the same amount? It's like a fifth of Intel's annual profit.

More to the point, I don't understand what "shaking down some foreign companies" could possibly accomplish here, other than the openly stated objective of making the "free market" be a reality unaffected by Intel's monopolisation attempts.

It's not like AMD is a European company. There isn't even a single significant European company competing in this market.

 

 

First off, the companies I'm talking about are M$, Intel, and the pending suit against Apple (which is probably going to expand in short order, now that the shakedown is complete on Intel and M$). You are correct, AMD is a US company, so what is the EU going to do with $1.4 Bln...give it to AMD...who is the plaintiff here...because in that example you were SO quick to pick-up on...and I was just WAITING or somebody to do so,...it was a consolidation of class action lawsuit from consumer...not government. Is the EU saying it is going to award this money to EU citizen's who bought Intel-based PCs, but they wanted AMD computers? What is the endgame here...THIS my friend, is nothing more than a shakedown by EU regulators...go to ANY retailers and you will find a TON of AMD based desktop...I can take pictures at WALMART, Bestbuy, Target, etc etc etc if you want, PLUS online...this is going to end badly...I can guarantee you that.

 

It's a fine. A fine doesn't get distributed to the harmed parties, the same as with other crimes. As I said before, I don't see why AMD wouldn't be able to sue for damages and receive compensation from Intel. But that would be a separate case in court.

 



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heruamon said:
NJ5 said:
Here is one more little piece of anti-competitive Intel behavior. The Intel-Skype deal, where Skype locked in some features of its application to PCs with Intel CPUs.

http://www.businessweek.com/globalbiz/content/mar2006/gb20060301_227521.htm

Not a big deal compared to these "bribes", but still indicates that Intel has no problems with engaging in these deals, even openly.

PS: I don't hate Intel, in fact I have only ever bought one CPU from AMD in more than 15 years of using PCs. That doesn't mean I'm blind to Intel's behaviors though.

So, is EU going to SUE M$ over the exclusive DLC for GTA nad other games? Is the EU goign t o fine the US for having a Most Favored Nation status for some countries? If they want to say that EU citizens were prevented from buying AMD based computers, and they have evidence of the lack of THAT option, I can agree with it, but to say cutting sweet deals with manufacturers to use their chips is riddiculous. So...are they going to sue Apple for squahing others from making computers, other than Apple built computers from running OS X? WTF...


Your comparisons are not relevant for this case.

If you have followed Microsoft's antitrust cases at all, you must know that the rules are applied differently to companies which have a monopoly in a particular market. Some deals which would be fine for your random small company are frowned upon when performed by companies which do those deals to squash the competition. Microsoft doesn't have a monopoly in the gaming market, Apple doesn't have a monopoly in computers or operating systems, so they have more freedom to do those deals.

This is of course because when a company gets big enough, it has the resources to drive competitors out of the market simply by cutting prices and losing money while the competitor goes bankrupt. Then they drive prices back up, and customer lock-in ensures that they get back to making profits, perpetuating a monoply. This is why artificial rules have to be introduced to maintain the choice given by the free markets. There's no free market without regulation, due to this reason.

 



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ssj12 said:
NJ5 said:
heruamon said:
nojustno said:
Wow that must burn a hole in their finances

This is going to be a fight at the WTO...because this smacks of a set of countries shaking down some foreign companies.

How can this be such a big deal if California with its 35 million population has fined Microsoft for $1.1 billion, nearly the same amount? It's like a fifth of Intel's annual profit.

More to the point, I don't understand what "shaking down some foreign companies" could possibly accomplish here, other than the openly stated objective of making the "free market" be a reality unaffected by Intel's monopolisation attempts.

It's not like AMD is a European company. There isn't even a single significant European company competing in this market.

 

I'm still not to sure Intel has tried to monopolize anything. I thinks its because Intel has just been around for a while and had great products across the spectrum that they got so big.

If AMD really wanted to compete they would try to develop their own technologies rather than base their their entire line of CPUs off technologies owned by the competitor.

Unlike the Microsoft case I have a feeling Intel might be close to innocent here. They might have offered incentives but companies could have easily said no to them. In the end why isn't the manufacturers who took the incentives/bribes in trouble?

 

 

Looks like the Obama Administration is going to get a fight from an unexpected avenue...to protect US Business, this shit is definitely not going to go down.  All I see it EU taxing a US company for being successful...If I'm Intel, I'm looking at hte US Govt and pointing out that people will have to get fired to pay for this "fine"...aka shakedown.  Guess that's a way to get some stimulus funds to EU.



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Lol at "stimulus funds to EU". I'm sure the $3 per EU citizen will save this continent from financial disgrace.



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ssj12 said:
NJ5 said:
heruamon said:
nojustno said:
Wow that must burn a hole in their finances

This is going to be a fight at the WTO...because this smacks of a set of countries shaking down some foreign companies.

How can this be such a big deal if California with its 35 million population has fined Microsoft for $1.1 billion, nearly the same amount? It's like a fifth of Intel's annual profit.

More to the point, I don't understand what "shaking down some foreign companies" could possibly accomplish here, other than the openly stated objective of making the "free market" be a reality unaffected by Intel's monopolisation attempts.

It's not like AMD is a European company. There isn't even a single significant European company competing in this market.

 

I'm still not to sure Intel has tried to monopolize anything. I thinks its because Intel has just been around for a while and had great products across the spectrum that they got so big.

If AMD really wanted to compete they would try to develop their own technologies rather than base their their entire line of CPUs off technologies owned by the competitor.

Unlike the Microsoft case I have a feeling Intel might be close to innocent here. They might have offered incentives but companies could have easily said no to them. In the end why isn't the manufacturers who took the incentives/bribes in trouble?

Correct me if I'm wrong but where Intel and AMD apart of the same company originally? Also given the amount of legacy code support required for the PC platform, wouldn't coming up with a completely different architecture cause compatibility issues?

 



NJ5 said:
heruamon said:
NJ5 said:
Here is one more little piece of anti-competitive Intel behavior. The Intel-Skype deal, where Skype locked in some features of its application to PCs with Intel CPUs.

http://www.businessweek.com/globalbiz/content/mar2006/gb20060301_227521.htm

Not a big deal compared to these "bribes", but still indicates that Intel has no problems with engaging in these deals, even openly.

PS: I don't hate Intel, in fact I have only ever bought one CPU from AMD in more than 15 years of using PCs. That doesn't mean I'm blind to Intel's behaviors though.

So, is EU going to SUE M$ over the exclusive DLC for GTA nad other games? Is the EU goign t o fine the US for having a Most Favored Nation status for some countries? If they want to say that EU citizens were prevented from buying AMD based computers, and they have evidence of the lack of THAT option, I can agree with it, but to say cutting sweet deals with manufacturers to use their chips is riddiculous. So...are they going to sue Apple for squahing others from making computers, other than Apple built computers from running OS X? WTF...


Your comparisons are not relevant for this case.

If you have followed Microsoft's antitrust cases at all, you must know that the rules are applied differently to companies which have a monopoly in a particular market. Some deals which would be fine for your random small company are frowned upon when performed by companies which do those deals to squash the competition. Microsoft doesn't have a monopoly in the gaming market, Apple doesn't have a monopoly in computers or operating systems, so they have more freedom to do those deals.

This is of course because when a company gets big enough, it has the resources to drive competitors out of the market simply by cutting prices and losing money while the competitor goes bankrupt. Then they drive prices back up, and customer lock-in ensures that they get back to making profits, perpetuating a monoply. This is why artificial rules have to be introduced to maintain the choice given by the free markets. There's no free market without regulation, due to this reason.

 

Right..it's fines, to support the EU's ability to fine more companies that succeed.  I'll tell you this, I can't see the US Gov't letting this go unchecked.  This fine is excessive, to say the least, and with a fine this harsh, it's going to spin into politics quickly.  The case here, imho, is to prove how EU consumers were harmed, not to protect a US company from another US company for the sake of competition.  I jsut don't see this fine standing up to the withering attack it is going to receive from most US business and the pressure that will be applied to get this overturned.  Bottomline will be this...if htey can do this to Intthey can do this others...Apple and Itunes is so going to be in the crosshairs...btw...are they going to force Apple to use AMD chips in their systems?

 



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Darc Requiem said:
ssj12 said:
NJ5 said:
heruamon said:
nojustno said:
Wow that must burn a hole in their finances

This is going to be a fight at the WTO...because this smacks of a set of countries shaking down some foreign companies.

How can this be such a big deal if California with its 35 million population has fined Microsoft for $1.1 billion, nearly the same amount? It's like a fifth of Intel's annual profit.

More to the point, I don't understand what "shaking down some foreign companies" could possibly accomplish here, other than the openly stated objective of making the "free market" be a reality unaffected by Intel's monopolisation attempts.

It's not like AMD is a European company. There isn't even a single significant European company competing in this market.

 

I'm still not to sure Intel has tried to monopolize anything. I thinks its because Intel has just been around for a while and had great products across the spectrum that they got so big.

If AMD really wanted to compete they would try to develop their own technologies rather than base their their entire line of CPUs off technologies owned by the competitor.

Unlike the Microsoft case I have a feeling Intel might be close to innocent here. They might have offered incentives but companies could have easily said no to them. In the end why isn't the manufacturers who took the incentives/bribes in trouble?

Correct me if I'm wrong but where Intel and AMD apart of the same company originally? Also given the amount of legacy code support required for the PC platform, wouldn't coming up with a completely different architecture cause compatibility issues?

 


ROFLMAO...you're kidding right...

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- From By Schism Rent Asunder

NJ5 said:
Lol at "stimulus funds to EU". I'm sure the $3 per EU citizen will save this continent from financial disgrace.

Times are hard...EU gotta eat...lol!

"...You can't kill ideas with a sword, and you can't sink belief structures with a broadside. You defeat them by making them change..."

- From By Schism Rent Asunder